[Morgoth]

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 11:11 AM, said:

Morgoth, on Oct 21 2008, 10:01 AM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 10:59 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 10:49 AM, said:

funny thing is i dont know why i wasnt killed off night 1, its not something i like talking about, but tbh its been bugging the shit out of me and i leave it to others to mention it and wait and wait and wait. Now if morgo was a killer and knew i was on his tail would he nk me or would he leave me? To nk me implicates morgo badly, not only by how i play and how he was the focus of that play nigth 1 but also by the 'feud' we supposedly have. That I wasnt night killed could easily mean that the killers didnt want that implication made. When i play killer (dk should remember) i choose night kills that deliberately incite confusion and discussion. By taking out jslr there wasnt that much action syurrounding him, so his death was ambigious and didnt really result int he hounding of an inno that the kilelr should look for in night kills.

The only reason i can see that a killer would want this is if they are already under pressure and want the game to cool down.

I also noticed someone doing the "if i die" bit?? who was that?

Lace did some premature 'if I die' during the weekend break at L-4 or so, but funnily enough didn't on L-2 (the worst point he got to). I put it down to inexperience. If there are others, they escaped my notion.

Now, the first paragraph is a nice support for your theory against Morgoth. Your 3x4 votes are bad for the game is perfectly simple reasoning. I'm willing to throw out a vote against Morgoth (and here Dkt jumps up ) to apply pressure early on day 3, might aid your case and give us a couple of PIs if we drive through to a lynch, or might clear Morgoth a bit more if he manages to defend himself adequately. It's yet another chance to see if a derailment train jumps up, but this time not affected by the weekend break.

I don't like that plan. If another train does not appear I die. Not to mention that at this point I'd think the evils would be worried about jumping on my train knowing i'll appear innocent, and I think a lot of people are starting to question the validity of trying to solve the game by lynching me for the third time in a row

trust me - depenind on how things go, we will know one way or the other whats happening

Yeah, I noticed your little comment at Gavin some days ago. If you're going for me, well, you'll be damned embarassed

[dktorode]

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 11:41 AM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 21 2008, 10:32 AM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 20 2008, 10:23 PM, said:

Instead, the middle part has been enlargened: Venge, Gem, me as diverting attention away from Morgoth. Never mind that two of the three had pledged their vote in the exact same way as they did on Morgoth: show us the lynch, and we vote. The mercenaries, the ones who want a lynch and didn't care who.
So, either the ones enlargening this middle/second part of the second train wanted to divert attention from the train starters or from the first train, and/or the starters of the second train wanted a diversion resulting in a lynch/ no lynch at all, or they were using the presence of certain individuals on the second train to push for a lynch. Your call.

Do you really think I...or anyone else here for that matter take stock in your "pledge"??

I have pledge MANY times as a killer that i would lynch my partner. This is a standard thing to do....pledging to lynch someone and actually doing it is two different things.

Not at all. The sole thing I can say is that the same thing happened on alt146; I put my vote down when it was clear there was a good possibility of a lynch on alt. * shrug * Now, nice that you commented on that, care to comment on why the first 5 (or first 4 if you leave out Gavin and DiBs as case-makers) voters for both Morgoth and alt146 have been kept out of the spotlight?

Who are these first 4 voters then? im not about to go dig this info up, if you want to discuss them then make a case!!

[Tapper]

Morgoth, on Oct 21 2008, 11:01 AM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 10:59 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 10:49 AM, said:

funny thing is i dont know why i wasnt killed off night 1, its not something i like talking about, but tbh its been bugging the shit out of me and i leave it to others to mention it and wait and wait and wait. Now if morgo was a killer and knew i was on his tail would he nk me or would he leave me? To nk me implicates morgo badly, not only by how i play and how he was the focus of that play nigth 1 but also by the 'feud' we supposedly have. That I wasnt night killed could easily mean that the killers didnt want that implication made. When i play killer (dk should remember) i choose night kills that deliberately incite confusion and discussion. By taking out jslr there wasnt that much action syurrounding him, so his death was ambigious and didnt really result int he hounding of an inno that the kilelr should look for in night kills.

The only reason i can see that a killer would want this is if they are already under pressure and want the game to cool down.

I also noticed someone doing the "if i die" bit?? who was that?

Lace did some premature 'if I die' during the weekend break at L-4 or so, but funnily enough didn't on L-2 (the worst point he got to). I put it down to inexperience. If there are others, they escaped my notion.

Now, the first paragraph is a nice support for your theory against Morgoth. Your 3x4 votes are bad for the game is perfectly simple reasoning. I'm willing to throw out a vote against Morgoth (and here Dkt jumps up ) to apply pressure early on day 3, might aid your case and give us a couple of PIs if we drive through to a lynch, or might clear Morgoth a bit more if he manages to defend himself adequately. It's yet another chance to see if a derailment train jumps up, but this time not affected by the weekend break.

I don't like that plan. If another train does not appear I die. Not to mention that at this point I'd think the evils would be worried about jumping on my train knowing i'll appear innocent, and I think a lot of people are starting to question the validity of trying to solve the game by lynching me for the third time in a row

Nope. You get to sway people away through defense, but you seem awfully sure it won't be good enough seeing how you mention that you need a second train.
More, the killers not jumping on your train as a block is also information. They'd be in the half-1 part of the players left.
So, more likely, the killers would divide themselves amongst voters/ non-voters. That might stir up the voting pattern and the sides drawn we've seen so far. Lastly, people would have to have a damned good reason for either jumping on or jumping off, a simple: 'what he said' or 'I believe Morgy' or 'I think Dibs has the best part' would be a total failure.

I know it would place your neck on the line, but a) I doubt DiBs will change target and you ended with 4 votes against you now, a lot more than yesterday, that number may raise contrary to what you expect, also because intended derailment/diversion is expected at this point, with the missed lynch today, we should go for a lynch that leads to a lot of info and a few PIs or a few possible guilty ones as a follow up.

If we slack on until there are 6-8 players left (3-4 nights as the vig must kill within the next 2 days), we're very likely to lynch other inno's anyway and go on hunches. Best to close lines of inquiry with as good a result as possible, in my opinion.
Oh, and I don't mind being a line of inquiry myself, although I'm a bit more in the periphery and seen as a possible symp, so my lynch wouldn't be as telling as a lynch on a possible killer.

[dktorode]

Morgoth, on Oct 21 2008, 11:52 AM, said:

I disagree about everything you just said.

.... really

So you dont believe a CF result on yourself will give us allot of info???

[Tapper]

Tapper, on Oct 20 2008, 08:34 PM, said:

Finally done with my re-read from page 20 up. couple of pages of copy-page and notes, most of it not worth mentioning but a few things that tie in nicely.

First thing I noticed:
the swing from Morgoth to alt. It was a swing, no denying, but what is interesting is that it was preceded by people saying: gotta go, vote Morgoth (Baudin). Also, the swing started earlier then votes, it started with announcements of willingness to swing vote. For the Gem-Tapper link: curiously, both of us announced to swing to Morgoth if need be, though this time, with Gem saying it first. This was at a time when Morgoth had 5 votes (DiBs, Lace, alt, Yellow (the pm thing), Baudin) and no-one else more than 2 (Yellow). That particular train started with just DiBses vote at 3:43 and built up to 4 votes at 5:10. So, not as fast as the alt146 lynch, but definately a train picking up steam, and no less interesting then the actual lynch train. Hasn't been mentioned yet, however.

Then alt146 is singled out as a slick and lynchhappy person by Gavin.

DiBs has quoted the train nicely, the announcing to switch order however was:
Gavin (vote)
J_slr (vote)
Lisheo (vote)
The Dude (vote)
JA (vote)
Gem announces willingness to swing (was on no-one),
Tapper announces willingness to swing (vote was on Yellow),
DiBs announces he is tempted to swing to alt146 (vote was on Morgoth) if Morgy doesn't go through,
Venge announces willingness to switch,
DiBs declares willingness to switch ,
Tapper removes vote, votes alt,
Venge votes,
DiBs votes,
Mocker (vote),
Gem votes.

So, there are 5 votes in quick succession, then there is first compromising/scouting if there is going to be the possibility for the lynch.
The train was fired up by the first 5 to resemble a threat to the Morgoth train, which, incidentally, 2 of the supposed Morgy symps were willing to jump on when he was the best lynchtarget. Both the timing of my scouting for both lynch opportunities were around the L-5 mark. I'd say that makes more or less certain that i wasn't particularly favouring Morgoth or looking out to save him.

This is what I'm talking about, dkt. It was two trains building, one relatively fast, then an even faster one. Neither has seen much discussion apart from the second part of the second train. Also, it's not a case, I'm asking what you make of it and the lack of discussion.

This post has been edited by Tapper: 21 October 2008 - 09:20 AM

[drinksinbars]

Morgoth, on Oct 21 2008, 10:13 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 11:11 AM, said:

Morgoth, on Oct 21 2008, 10:01 AM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 10:59 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 10:49 AM, said:

funny thing is i dont know why i wasnt killed off night 1, its not something i like talking about, but tbh its been bugging the shit out of me and i leave it to others to mention it and wait and wait and wait. Now if morgo was a killer and knew i was on his tail would he nk me or would he leave me? To nk me implicates morgo badly, not only by how i play and how he was the focus of that play nigth 1 but also by the 'feud' we supposedly have. That I wasnt night killed could easily mean that the killers didnt want that implication made. When i play killer (dk should remember) i choose night kills that deliberately incite confusion and discussion. By taking out jslr there wasnt that much action syurrounding him, so his death was ambigious and didnt really result int he hounding of an inno that the kilelr should look for in night kills.

The only reason i can see that a killer would want this is if they are already under pressure and want the game to cool down.

I also noticed someone doing the "if i die" bit?? who was that?

Lace did some premature 'if I die' during the weekend break at L-4 or so, but funnily enough didn't on L-2 (the worst point he got to). I put it down to inexperience. If there are others, they escaped my notion.

Now, the first paragraph is a nice support for your theory against Morgoth. Your 3x4 votes are bad for the game is perfectly simple reasoning. I'm willing to throw out a vote against Morgoth (and here Dkt jumps up ) to apply pressure early on day 3, might aid your case and give us a couple of PIs if we drive through to a lynch, or might clear Morgoth a bit more if he manages to defend himself adequately. It's yet another chance to see if a derailment train jumps up, but this time not affected by the weekend break.

I don't like that plan. If another train does not appear I die. Not to mention that at this point I'd think the evils would be worried about jumping on my train knowing i'll appear innocent, and I think a lot of people are starting to question the validity of trying to solve the game by lynching me for the third time in a row

trust me - depenind on how things go, we will know one way or the other whats happening

Yeah, I noticed your little comment at Gavin some days ago. If you're going for me, well, you'll be damned embarassed

if you read my posts you would know i am not.

[dktorode]

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 11:59 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 10:49 AM, said:

funny thing is i dont know why i wasnt killed off night 1, its not something i like talking about, but tbh its been bugging the shit out of me and i leave it to others to mention it and wait and wait and wait. Now if morgo was a killer and knew i was on his tail would he nk me or would he leave me? To nk me implicates morgo badly, not only by how i play and how he was the focus of that play nigth 1 but also by the 'feud' we supposedly have. That I wasnt night killed could easily mean that the killers didnt want that implication made. When i play killer (dk should remember) i choose night kills that deliberately incite confusion and discussion. By taking out jslr there wasnt that much action syurrounding him, so his death was ambigious and didnt really result int he hounding of an inno that the kilelr should look for in night kills.

The only reason i can see that a killer would want this is if they are already under pressure and want the game to cool down.

I also noticed someone doing the "if i die" bit?? who was that?

Lace did some premature 'if I die' during the weekend break at L-4 or so, but funnily enough didn't on L-2 (the worst point he got to). I put it down to inexperience. If there are others, they escaped my notion.

Now, the first paragraph is a nice support for your theory against Morgoth. Your 3x4 votes are bad for the game is perfectly simple reasoning. I'm willing to throw out a vote against Morgoth (and here Dkt jumps up ) to apply pressure early on day 3, might aid your case and give us a couple of PIs if we drive through to a lynch, or might clear Morgoth a bit more if he manages to defend himself adequately. It's yet another chance to see if a derailment train jumps up, but this time not affected by the weekend break.

You know Tapper...the more you post the more you are becoming my number 1 suspect...i just cant put my finger on it.
You seem to be over complicating things, almost needlesly, like you are desperate.
Especially when someone only mentions in passing something about you, you go into major detail about why you could or could not be guilty. Almost...out of the blue.
Now this little shove is adding more and more weight. Im willing to accept that ive been maybe had a few blinkers on.

I want to take a hard look at you Tapper today, Yourself and Mocker especially bother me tremendously.

Mocker seems to be going with the flow, i dont thing he has said one original thing. Not to dis him or anything but i get the feeling all he can do (maybe because he is a nervous killer) is pretend to be helpful. And he seems skittish to put down a vote. A new killer is always scared of the implications of placing votes.

[Tapper]

dktorode, on Oct 21 2008, 11:26 AM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 11:59 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 10:49 AM, said:

funny thing is i dont know why i wasnt killed off night 1, its not something i like talking about, but tbh its been bugging the shit out of me and i leave it to others to mention it and wait and wait and wait. Now if morgo was a killer and knew i was on his tail would he nk me or would he leave me? To nk me implicates morgo badly, not only by how i play and how he was the focus of that play nigth 1 but also by the 'feud' we supposedly have. That I wasnt night killed could easily mean that the killers didnt want that implication made. When i play killer (dk should remember) i choose night kills that deliberately incite confusion and discussion. By taking out jslr there wasnt that much action syurrounding him, so his death was ambigious and didnt really result int he hounding of an inno that the kilelr should look for in night kills.

The only reason i can see that a killer would want this is if they are already under pressure and want the game to cool down.

I also noticed someone doing the "if i die" bit?? who was that?

Lace did some premature 'if I die' during the weekend break at L-4 or so, but funnily enough didn't on L-2 (the worst point he got to). I put it down to inexperience. If there are others, they escaped my notion.

Now, the first paragraph is a nice support for your theory against Morgoth. Your 3x4 votes are bad for the game is perfectly simple reasoning. I'm willing to throw out a vote against Morgoth (and here Dkt jumps up ) to apply pressure early on day 3, might aid your case and give us a couple of PIs if we drive through to a lynch, or might clear Morgoth a bit more if he manages to defend himself adequately. It's yet another chance to see if a derailment train jumps up, but this time not affected by the weekend break.

You know Tapper...the more you post the more you are becoming my number 1 suspect...i just cant put my finger on it.
You seem to be over complicating things, almost needlesly, like you are desperate.
Especially when someone only mentions in passing something about you, you go into major detail about why you could or could not be guilty. Almost...out of the blue.
Now this little shove is adding more and more weight. Im willing to accept that ive been maybe had a few blinkers on.

I want to take a hard look at you Tapper today, Yourself and Mocker especially bother me tremendously.

Mocker seems to be going with the flow, i dont thing he has said one original thing. Not to dis him or anything but i get the feeling all he can do (maybe because he is a nervous killer) is pretend to be helpful. And he seems skittish to put down a vote. A new killer is always scared of the implications of placing votes.

Well, make a case then, and/or vote when day is upon us. I get fingered for being a possible symp, i get named as a possible killer, but it's all feelings and links, never a hard case, never with context, never with quotes, never with links. Pretty hard to counter and indeed everything you do from there is sucking you deeper into the quagmire.

[Tapper]

Also, why the fuck should I be desperate? The most I had on me was 2 votes. 1 by Silencer with no reason, one by Lace. So, where and especially why am I desperate? It doesn't add up.

[dktorode]

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 12:19 PM, said:

DiBs has quoted the train nicely, the announcing to switch order however was:
Gavin (vote)
J_slr (vote)
Lisheo (vote)
The Dude (vote)
JA (vote)
Gem announces willingness to swing (was on no-one),
Tapper announces willingness to swing (vote was on Yellow),
DiBs announces he is tempted to swing to alt146 (vote was on Morgoth) if Morgy doesn't go through,
Venge announces willingness to switch,
DiBs declares willingness to switch ,
Tapper removes vote, votes alt,
Venge votes,
DiBs votes,
Mocker (vote),
Gem votes.

This is...as you say is the "the announcing to switch order" list...wich really means nothing to me

[drinksinbars]

Path-Shaper, on Oct 21 2008, 12:00 AM, said:

After two days in the Disco, the jumpsuits aren't as white as they used to be. Afro's have lost that special sheen. Everyone is unsettled by the lingering smell of what seems like pork. People dance around listlessly, trying to find someone to blame. All the arguing back and forth only results in more confusion as the sun slowly sets. The music gets louder. The floor lights up. And everybody gets down!

Noone has died.

12 hours left of night

16 funkstars getting groovy: Baudin,Dktorode, DrinksinBars, Gavin, Gem, Jump Around, Lacedaemonian, Lisheo, Mocker, Morgoth, Obdigore Silencer, Tapper, The Dude,Vengeance, Yellow,

Please get your song requests to the DJ pronto so that the party can REALLY get started

night began at midnight gmt - so we have 1 hour and a half left of night.

[dktorode]

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 12:30 PM, said:

Also, why the fuck should I be desperate? The most I had on me was 2 votes. 1 by Silencer with no reason, one by Lace. So, where and especially why am I desperate? It doesn't add up.

As i said...you SEEM desperate. Even when there is no reason to seem so. I never said you ARE desperate.
This post yet again rings my bells. your are jumping at shadows...WHY?

[Tapper]

And above it is the vote list for train 1 on Morgoth, and it also includes the vote list. Fine, if you see nothing into it. The main point, and I get a bit tired of saying this for three or more pages in every second post I make, so I'll stop with it after this one, is the two trains firing up. There was 3 hours on the clock, 5 votes on Morgoth and almost no case on alt146 and he's the one who gets lynched. Weird, cause I normally would expect that with Morgoth being such an obvious target, that he'd be the dead guy.

[drinksinbars]

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 10:35 AM, said:

And above it is the vote list for train 1 on Morgoth, and it also includes the vote list. Fine, if you see nothing into it. The main point, and I get a bit tired of saying this for three or more pages in every second post I make, so I'll stop with it after this one, is the two trains firing up. There was 3 hours on the clock, 5 votes on Morgoth and almost no case on alt146 and he's the one who gets lynched. Weird, cause I normally would expect that with Morgoth being such an obvious target, that he'd be the dead guy.

that sounds like my day 2 case on morgoth??

[dktorode]

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 12:29 PM, said:

Well, make a case then, and/or vote when day is upon us. I get fingered for being a possible symp, i get named as a possible killer, but it's all feelings and links, never a hard case, never with context, never with quotes, never with links. Pretty hard to counter and indeed everything you do from there is sucking you deeper into the quagmire.

I think i will make a case, the problem is that your posts are so convoluted. Sometimes they dont make sense to me simply becasue there is just too much to take in at once...although...i was flippen hungover yesterday and pretty busy at work.

[Tapper]

dktorode, on Oct 21 2008, 11:34 AM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 12:30 PM, said:

Also, why the fuck should I be desperate? The most I had on me was 2 votes. 1 by Silencer with no reason, one by Lace. So, where and especially why am I desperate? It doesn't add up.

As i said...you SEEM desperate. Even when there is no reason to seem so. I never said you ARE desperate.
This post yet again rings my bells. your are jumping at shadows...WHY?

Hehe, we're going in circles here. You say I seem desperate, I ask why, and you then ask me why indeed? I suppose I could ask 'when? where, how?' and you'll just say that those three questions are more jumping at shadows.

The one thing I did which you could see as complicating everything is dragging the day 1 lynch trains into the spotlight. OK, cool if you see nothing into it. I see some weirdness there, I see no-one has yet picked it up, so I mention it. Fine if you don't like it or can do nothing with it, probably a reason why no-one picked it up yet. * shrug *
So, bring me something definite to respond to now, dkt, or make your case day 3 when it matters for a lynch.

[dktorode]

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 12:35 PM, said:

And above it is the vote list for train 1 on Morgoth, and it also includes the vote list. Fine, if you see nothing into it. The main point, and I get a bit tired of saying this for three or more pages in every second post I make, so I'll stop with it after this one, is the two trains firing up. There was 3 hours on the clock, 5 votes on Morgoth and almost no case on alt146 and he's the one who gets lynched. Weird, cause I normally would expect that with Morgoth being such an obvious target, that he'd be the dead guy.

ok...so your talking about DiBs, Lace, alt, Yellow (the pm thing), Baudin.

Dibs i think is inno, why?...because i know dibs. For now...i think he is inno
Lace....he has been discussed to death. I dont know why you say we havent been looking at him.
Alt is dead...isnt he?
And baudin is non existent...to be hinest there is just nothing to discuss.

If i was online lastnight i would have happily lynched him off....even if t was his birthday

[Tapper]

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 11:37 AM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 10:35 AM, said:

And above it is the vote list for train 1 on Morgoth, and it also includes the vote list. Fine, if you see nothing into it. The main point, and I get a bit tired of saying this for three or more pages in every second post I make, so I'll stop with it after this one, is the two trains firing up. There was 3 hours on the clock, 5 votes on Morgoth and almost no case on alt146 and he's the one who gets lynched. Weird, cause I normally would expect that with Morgoth being such an obvious target, that he'd be the dead guy.

that sounds like my day 2 case on morgoth??

Aye, large elements are the same. Only, i seek for the people who were seeking to divert the attention on the first 5 of it, not the last 5, which is where you partly focused on: Gavin, J_slr, Lisheo, The Dude, JA. Anyone after that is switching for convenience: it went for you, I was on Yellow and wanted a lynch, Venge came from somewhere else, I think, Gem hammered after being flighty from Morgoth to alt146.

[dktorode]

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 12:42 PM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 21 2008, 11:34 AM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 12:30 PM, said:

Also, why the fuck should I be desperate? The most I had on me was 2 votes. 1 by Silencer with no reason, one by Lace. So, where and especially why am I desperate? It doesn't add up.

As i said...you SEEM desperate. Even when there is no reason to seem so. I never said you ARE desperate.
This post yet again rings my bells. your are jumping at shadows...WHY?

Hehe, we're going in circles here. You say I seem desperate, I ask why, and you then ask me why indeed? I suppose I could ask 'when? where, how?' and you'll just say that those three questions are more jumping at shadows.

The one thing I did which you could see as complicating everything is dragging the day 1 lynch trains into the spotlight. OK, cool if you see nothing into it. I see some weirdness there, I see no-one has yet picked it up, so I mention it. Fine if you don't like it or can do nothing with it, probably a reason why no-one picked it up yet. * shrug *
So, bring me something definite to respond to now, dkt, or make your case day 3 when it matters for a lynch.

My "why" is a rhetorical question, i dont exect you to answer, im saying why....well because your scum...thats why

[Tapper]

dktorode, on Oct 21 2008, 11:42 AM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 12:35 PM, said:

And above it is the vote list for train 1 on Morgoth, and it also includes the vote list. Fine, if you see nothing into it. The main point, and I get a bit tired of saying this for three or more pages in every second post I make, so I'll stop with it after this one, is the two trains firing up. There was 3 hours on the clock, 5 votes on Morgoth and almost no case on alt146 and he's the one who gets lynched. Weird, cause I normally would expect that with Morgoth being such an obvious target, that he'd be the dead guy.

ok...so your talking about DiBs, Lace, alt, Yellow (the pm thing), Baudin.

Dibs i think is inno, why?...because i know dibs. For now...i think he is inno
Lace....he has been discussed to death. I dont know why you say we havent been looking at him.
Alt is dead...isnt he?
And baudin is non existent...to be hinest there is just nothing to discuss.

If i was online lastnight i would have happily lynched him off....even if t was his birthday

What is weird is the speed of both. Baudin left his vote on Morgoth to lynch. The whole, I'm out, see you tomorrow business was already starting, and then a second train starts up and finishes 40 min before deadline. Only when it became of equal size as Morgoth's train would it have been a target for the bandwagoners who wanted a lynch, and only with them on board would it become obvious that Morgoth wouldn't be lynched, hence DiBs switching his vote.
The real effort is the first 5 votes. They gathered FAST.