[Mentalist]

hey, hey... i'd ask you not to insult me. I'm not even modding tonight
it's safe to say that PS fucks up the time perceprtion of whomever's using it. I think it automatically switches to your time zone.
from all the consecutive posts, I'd say 1.5 hour left. but then again, I HAVE been up for more than 36 hours...

[drinksinbars]

hey ment you playing this game! wow you've been quiet. In other news, get some sleep

This post has been edited by drinksinbars: 21 October 2008 - 08:38 AM

[Gavin]

I'm pretty sure its 2.5 hours left till Night end from now.

[dktorode]

Obdigore, on Oct 20 2008, 10:31 PM, said:

Spam Spam wham diddly spam.

Honestly, there isn't a solid case at all at this point, and I'm not sure I want to vote for any of the people being brought forward since almost none of them have any defenders.

I skimmed what I missed (all 30 or so pages), and found nothing super-out-there, so I suppose I should read again more deeply, but I can't do it right now.

defenders?...

If you mean someone coming out and blatantly defending someone then no...there are no clear cut defenders, yet there are MANY people pushing lynches in other directions.
Thats my main reason for not liking morgoth, not anything he has said himself. But more the fact that every time there is a few votes on him, there are people pushing somewhere else.
One would think that the scum would welcome a lynch on morgy, if he were inno. And the lynch would be backed by 4 people that wouldnt care either way. YET it keeps getting derailed.

I think a CF or Morgy is essential here. If he is inno, then there sure as shit is scum on his trains. Otherwise he must be scum.
But the only thing that is stopping me at this moment is that venge has made my spidy sense tingle AND venges actions yesterday tie in with morgy being his partner or his master.

[Tapper]

dktorode, on Oct 21 2008, 10:32 AM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 20 2008, 10:23 PM, said:

Instead, the middle part has been enlargened: Venge, Gem, me as diverting attention away from Morgoth. Never mind that two of the three had pledged their vote in the exact same way as they did on Morgoth: show us the lynch, and we vote. The mercenaries, the ones who want a lynch and didn't care who.
So, either the ones enlargening this middle/second part of the second train wanted to divert attention from the train starters or from the first train, and/or the starters of the second train wanted a diversion resulting in a lynch/ no lynch at all, or they were using the presence of certain individuals on the second train to push for a lynch. Your call.

Do you really think I...or anyone else here for that matter take stock in your "pledge"??

I have pledge MANY times as a killer that i would lynch my partner. This is a standard thing to do....pledging to lynch someone and actually doing it is two different things.

Not at all. The sole thing I can say is that the same thing happened on alt146; I put my vote down when it was clear there was a good possibility of a lynch on alt. * shrug * Now, nice that you commented on that, care to comment on why the first 5 (or first 4 if you leave out Gavin and DiBs as case-makers) voters for both Morgoth and alt146 have been kept out of the spotlight?

[dktorode]

Vengeance, on Oct 20 2008, 10:35 PM, said:

JA that comes into being later on in the game not on the first day. If a killer is going to get got then his symp will usually try almost anything to get his boss to live through the first night. I have done it and so have you....er.....Ok well at least I have...

After I voted I went back and took a look at the start of his train. Nobody spoke against it...period...If he had been a killer someone would have...If he was a symp then no one would have....Ergo I figured that he was probably going to come up innocent. I didn't see him being a symp and drawing that much attention day one.

Yes but you only removed your vote once Dibs asked you why your still voting...if you had defended him and removed your vote straight away then that would have made sense.
You needed someone to tell you to do this, and you promptly did, even though it was too late. Why...i think its because you felt it made you look less scummy.
Ofcourse some people try too hard to look innocent when playing inno's. As daft as this sounds, it is true. So if you are inno, next time done try so hard

[dktorode]

mocker, on Oct 20 2008, 10:41 PM, said:

and hows silencer still gettin very little attention considerin he threw vote about with abandon

just seems weird that that gets overlooked, whereas ppl are nitpicking at every other little thing that every other player is saying

Yea...the way i see it if silencer was a killer he would not do that...he knows that would call attention to himself, like my sister...he has been around the block a few times.

[Lacedaemonian]

I have to go to work in a second and so do not have time to build a case. I am still working with my original case of which I have put forward my reasons many times. It always comes back to the Alt/Morgoth situation. Only a lynch or night kill will change the direction of my thoughts.

Gem
Tapper
Vengence
Morgoth

That is Team Evil in my humble and nab (had to add that ) opinion. I might support a lynch later but do not want to ruin my case by lynching the wrong members of team evil.

I vote Morgoth on the slight chance I am not back later. Will try and read on my phone later but the quotes are hard to read on my mobile. Is this only me?

[dktorode]

Gem Windcaster, on Oct 20 2008, 10:43 PM, said:

Yeah, have even gotten an explanation from Silencer about that vote yet?


Edit: cross post! I actually know of a forum that, when you're writing a post and hit 'submit', if something have been posted while you write, you get a notification about it.
Edit: notification goes like this: "someone have posted while you have been writing, you might wanna read that before posting."

If you just quote the post your refering too it shouldnt be a bloody problem. Jeez some people want there mommies tittie with them all the time.

[drinksinbars]

funny thing is i dont know why i wasnt killed off night 1, its not something i like talking about, but tbh its been bugging the shit out of me and i leave it to others to mention it and wait and wait and wait. Now if morgo was a killer and knew i was on his tail would he nk me or would he leave me? To nk me implicates morgo badly, not only by how i play and how he was the focus of that play nigth 1 but also by the 'feud' we supposedly have. That I wasnt night killed could easily mean that the killers didnt want that implication made. When i play killer (dk should remember) i choose night kills that deliberately incite confusion and discussion. By taking out jslr there wasnt that much action syurrounding him, so his death was ambigious and didnt really result int he hounding of an inno that the kilelr should look for in night kills.

The only reason i can see that a killer would want this is if they are already under pressure and want the game to cool down.

I also noticed someone doing the "if i die" bit?? who was that?

[drinksinbars]

Lacedaemonian, on Oct 21 2008, 09:47 AM, said:

I have to go to work in a second and so do not have time to build a case. I am still working with my original case of which I have put forward my reasons many times. It always comes back to the Alt/Morgoth situation. Only a lynch or night kill will change the direction of my thoughts.

Gem
Tapper
Vengence
Morgoth

That is Team Evil in my humble and nab (had to add that ) opinion. I might support a lynch later but do not want to ruin my case by lynching the wrong members of team evil.

I vote Morgoth on the slight chance I am not back later. Will try and read on my phone later but the quotes are hard to read on my mobile. Is this only me?

you can only vote during the day lace.

[Jump Around]

Lacedaemonian, on Oct 21 2008, 11:47 AM, said:

I have to go to work in a second and so do not have time to build a case. I am still working with my original case of which I have put forward my reasons many times. It always comes back to the Alt/Morgoth situation. Only a lynch or night kill will change the direction of my thoughts.

Gem
Tapper
Vengence
Morgoth

That is Team Evil in my humble and nab (had to add that ) opinion. I might support a lynch later but do not want to ruin my case by lynching the wrong members of team evil.

I vote Morgoth on the slight chance I am not back later. Will try and read on my phone later but the quotes are hard to read on my mobile. Is this only me?

lol, chill, it's still night.

[Morgoth]

dktorode, on Oct 21 2008, 10:39 AM, said:

Obdigore, on Oct 20 2008, 10:31 PM, said:

Spam Spam wham diddly spam.

Honestly, there isn't a solid case at all at this point, and I'm not sure I want to vote for any of the people being brought forward since almost none of them have any defenders.

I skimmed what I missed (all 30 or so pages), and found nothing super-out-there, so I suppose I should read again more deeply, but I can't do it right now.

defenders?...

If you mean someone coming out and blatantly defending someone then no...there are no clear cut defenders, yet there are MANY people pushing lynches in other directions.
Thats my main reason for not liking morgoth, not anything he has said himself. But more the fact that every time there is a few votes on him, there are people pushing somewhere else.
One would think that the scum would welcome a lynch on morgy, if he were inno. And the lynch would be backed by 4 people that wouldnt care either way. YET it keeps getting derailed.

I think a CF or Morgy is essential here. If he is inno, then there sure as shit is scum on his trains. Otherwise he must be scum.
But the only thing that is stopping me at this moment is that venge has made my spidy sense tingle AND venges actions yesterday tie in with morgy being his partner or his master.

I disagree about everything you just said.

.... really

[Jump Around]

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 11:49 AM, said:

funny thing is i dont know why i wasnt killed off night 1, its not something i like talking about, but tbh its been bugging the shit out of me and i leave it to others to mention it and wait and wait and wait. Now if morgo was a killer and knew i was on his tail would he nk me or would he leave me? To nk me implicates morgo badly, not only by how i play and how he was the focus of that play nigth 1 but also by the 'feud' we supposedly have. That I wasnt night killed could easily mean that the killers didnt want that implication made. When i play killer (dk should remember) i choose night kills that deliberately incite confusion and discussion. By taking out jslr there wasnt that much action syurrounding him, so his death was ambigious and didnt really result int he hounding of an inno that the kilelr should look for in night kills.

The only reason i can see that a killer would want this is if they are already under pressure and want the game to cool down.

I also noticed someone doing the "if i die" bit?? who was that?

You just did, in this very post.

[Morgoth]

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 10:49 AM, said:

funny thing is i dont know why i wasnt killed off night 1, its not something i like talking about, but tbh its been bugging the shit out of me and i leave it to others to mention it and wait and wait and wait. Now if morgo was a killer and knew i was on his tail would he nk me or would he leave me? To nk me implicates morgo badly, not only by how i play and how he was the focus of that play nigth 1 but also by the 'feud' we supposedly have. That I wasnt night killed could easily mean that the killers didnt want that implication made. When i play killer (dk should remember) i choose night kills that deliberately incite confusion and discussion. By taking out jslr there wasnt that much action syurrounding him, so his death was ambigious and didnt really result int he hounding of an inno that the kilelr should look for in night kills.

The only reason i can see that a killer would want this is if they are already under pressure and want the game to cool down.

I also noticed someone doing the "if i die" bit?? who was that?

I've been thinking about that too, and I came to the simple conclusion that the killers benefit from the two of us being alive this game. We're knocking heads and arguing back and forth, more or less capitalizing the thread at times. As long as you weren't directly attacking one of them, why would they want you dead?

[Tapper]

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 10:49 AM, said:

funny thing is i dont know why i wasnt killed off night 1, its not something i like talking about, but tbh its been bugging the shit out of me and i leave it to others to mention it and wait and wait and wait. Now if morgo was a killer and knew i was on his tail would he nk me or would he leave me? To nk me implicates morgo badly, not only by how i play and how he was the focus of that play nigth 1 but also by the 'feud' we supposedly have. That I wasnt night killed could easily mean that the killers didnt want that implication made. When i play killer (dk should remember) i choose night kills that deliberately incite confusion and discussion. By taking out jslr there wasnt that much action syurrounding him, so his death was ambigious and didnt really result int he hounding of an inno that the kilelr should look for in night kills.

The only reason i can see that a killer would want this is if they are already under pressure and want the game to cool down.

I also noticed someone doing the "if i die" bit?? who was that?

Lace did some premature 'if I die' during the weekend break at L-4 or so, but funnily enough didn't on L-2 (the worst point he got to). I put it down to inexperience. If there are others, they escaped my notion.

Now, the first paragraph is a nice support for your theory against Morgoth. Your 3x4 votes are bad for the game is perfectly simple reasoning. I'm willing to throw out a vote against Morgoth (and here Dkt jumps up ) to apply pressure early on day 3, might aid your case and give us a couple of PIs if we drive through to a lynch, or might clear Morgoth a bit more if he manages to defend himself adequately. It's yet another chance to see if a derailment train jumps up, but this time not affected by the weekend break.

This post has been edited by Tapper: 21 October 2008 - 08:59 AM

[Morgoth]

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 10:59 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 10:49 AM, said:

funny thing is i dont know why i wasnt killed off night 1, its not something i like talking about, but tbh its been bugging the shit out of me and i leave it to others to mention it and wait and wait and wait. Now if morgo was a killer and knew i was on his tail would he nk me or would he leave me? To nk me implicates morgo badly, not only by how i play and how he was the focus of that play nigth 1 but also by the 'feud' we supposedly have. That I wasnt night killed could easily mean that the killers didnt want that implication made. When i play killer (dk should remember) i choose night kills that deliberately incite confusion and discussion. By taking out jslr there wasnt that much action syurrounding him, so his death was ambigious and didnt really result int he hounding of an inno that the kilelr should look for in night kills.

The only reason i can see that a killer would want this is if they are already under pressure and want the game to cool down.

I also noticed someone doing the "if i die" bit?? who was that?

Lace did some premature 'if I die' during the weekend break at L-4 or so, but funnily enough didn't on L-2 (the worst point he got to). I put it down to inexperience. If there are others, they escaped my notion.

Now, the first paragraph is a nice support for your theory against Morgoth. Your 3x4 votes are bad for the game is perfectly simple reasoning. I'm willing to throw out a vote against Morgoth (and here Dkt jumps up ) to apply pressure early on day 3, might aid your case and give us a couple of PIs if we drive through to a lynch, or might clear Morgoth a bit more if he manages to defend himself adequately. It's yet another chance to see if a derailment train jumps up, but this time not affected by the weekend break.

I don't like that plan. If another train does not appear I die. Not to mention that at this point I'd think the evils would be worried about jumping on my train knowing i'll appear innocent, and I think a lot of people are starting to question the validity of trying to solve the game by lynching me for the third time in a row

[dktorode]

Morgoth, on Oct 21 2008, 01:05 AM, said:

ah, finally. Studying done, student association duties done, Kung Fu practice done. I can start responding again. I see people overtaking me in post count which is certainly not good.

But, first and foremost I'd like to mention something I've been thinking on for a bit.

I do not think Vengance is a killer. My reasoning is this: Lace's comment, though in very bad taste, presented an excellent alibi for a killer Vengance. With that comment fresh in memory, Vengyboy and whomever else could kill Lace and trying then to tag it onto Venge would be nigh impossible. Just think about it, how your reaction would've been to the death of Lace in regards to Venge, who is by all accounts a good player. Lace gave him a perfect opportunity to safely get rid of another player, and it was not taken. Perhaps I'm thinking too much in circles, but this somewhat convinced me.

That brings me over to Lace. If he'd continued as he did from day 1, saying nothing of worth, I would've voted for him now and good riddance. But he's stepped up his play and as such I am willing for the moment to place much of what was said and done earlier to the mistakes of a beginer. Also, I figure if I ended up as a killer in my first game, I would do anything not to be noticed. That is after all the obvious way of playing that role. A lot of theorizing, but we all work on gut to an extent. .. Oh yeah, his jokes regarding my gender were never truly offensive. I think I saw someone claiming otherwise.

Lisheo? I have no idea. He strikes me as a noob being overly enthusiastic first and foremost. Is he a symp? Quite possible, but if so he's not doing a very good job. Sure, he's talking a lot but he doesn't pull attention away from anything as I see it.

Gem. What is there to say. There's no content to her play. None at all. I have no problems voting for her, and depending on how much time we have left, I may very well do so shortly.

Then there's Tapper. He seemed the poor guy caught up in the whirlwind that is DiBs to such an extent it didn't even cross my mind to consider him guilty. There's not really been much pressure on him today, yet his defence is large yet strangely lacking of... well content. A word too heavily used if there ever was one. I mean, it's a massive summary of the game. It's a defence that's not much in the way of an actuall defence at all. It reminds of how I sent Ayrin pms the size of essays in the last Diplomacy game just so that the fact I never agreed to anything concrete was drowned by all the noise. Tapper just jumped up the ladder for me, but I doubt there'll be a lynch of him tonight, so that can wait.

Finally, there's Silencer. Who's doing god knows what. He is another, perhaps the other candidate for a killer in my mind. I would start digging up posts but there's so little to find. He's participating just enough for him not to be forgotten, yet he never takes an active part in the discussions. He is on the fence, jumping in with the occasional vote even though we know he has the experience and capacity to play the game in a way that does benefit the innocents.

oh, to finalise this: remove vote

Good post
I actually kinda agree with allot of this.... go figure.

[drinksinbars]

Morgoth, on Oct 21 2008, 09:54 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 10:49 AM, said:

funny thing is i dont know why i wasnt killed off night 1, its not something i like talking about, but tbh its been bugging the shit out of me and i leave it to others to mention it and wait and wait and wait. Now if morgo was a killer and knew i was on his tail would he nk me or would he leave me? To nk me implicates morgo badly, not only by how i play and how he was the focus of that play nigth 1 but also by the 'feud' we supposedly have. That I wasnt night killed could easily mean that the killers didnt want that implication made. When i play killer (dk should remember) i choose night kills that deliberately incite confusion and discussion. By taking out jslr there wasnt that much action syurrounding him, so his death was ambigious and didnt really result int he hounding of an inno that the kilelr should look for in night kills.

The only reason i can see that a killer would want this is if they are already under pressure and want the game to cool down.

I also noticed someone doing the "if i die" bit?? who was that?

I've been thinking about that too, and I came to the simple conclusion that the killers benefit from the two of us being alive this game. We're knocking heads and arguing back and forth, more or less capitalizing the thread at times. As long as you weren't directly attacking one of them, why would they want you dead?

@ja - I am not worried about saying this anymore so thats why i did.

@mrog - possibly, which means either you are a killer or we are taking attention away from them. Depending on the night kill i am going to either go nuts or change direction quite drastically.

[drinksinbars]

Morgoth, on Oct 21 2008, 10:01 AM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 10:59 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 10:49 AM, said:

funny thing is i dont know why i wasnt killed off night 1, its not something i like talking about, but tbh its been bugging the shit out of me and i leave it to others to mention it and wait and wait and wait. Now if morgo was a killer and knew i was on his tail would he nk me or would he leave me? To nk me implicates morgo badly, not only by how i play and how he was the focus of that play nigth 1 but also by the 'feud' we supposedly have. That I wasnt night killed could easily mean that the killers didnt want that implication made. When i play killer (dk should remember) i choose night kills that deliberately incite confusion and discussion. By taking out jslr there wasnt that much action syurrounding him, so his death was ambigious and didnt really result int he hounding of an inno that the kilelr should look for in night kills.

The only reason i can see that a killer would want this is if they are already under pressure and want the game to cool down.

I also noticed someone doing the "if i die" bit?? who was that?

Lace did some premature 'if I die' during the weekend break at L-4 or so, but funnily enough didn't on L-2 (the worst point he got to). I put it down to inexperience. If there are others, they escaped my notion.

Now, the first paragraph is a nice support for your theory against Morgoth. Your 3x4 votes are bad for the game is perfectly simple reasoning. I'm willing to throw out a vote against Morgoth (and here Dkt jumps up ) to apply pressure early on day 3, might aid your case and give us a couple of PIs if we drive through to a lynch, or might clear Morgoth a bit more if he manages to defend himself adequately. It's yet another chance to see if a derailment train jumps up, but this time not affected by the weekend break.

I don't like that plan. If another train does not appear I die. Not to mention that at this point I'd think the evils would be worried about jumping on my train knowing i'll appear innocent, and I think a lot of people are starting to question the validity of trying to solve the game by lynching me for the third time in a row

trust me - depenind on how things go, we will know one way or the other whats happening