[Macros]

Oh so many things.

[Tsundoku]

Macros, on 28 November 2016 - 10:48 AM, said:

Oh so many things.

You're being vague - must involve a woman.

I just bumped the stitches in my hand. Ow. Stupid biopsies.

This post has been edited by Captain Needa: 28 November 2016 - 11:25 AM

[Macros]

Not really a woman.
Mostly a hangover

[MTS]

End of year reports.

 o-STRESSED-TEACHER-facebook.jpg (108.75K)
Number of downloads: 0

[Mentalist]

Apt, on 28 November 2016 - 07:54 AM, said:

EmperorMagus, on 28 November 2016 - 06:47 AM, said:

Starting a minimum five page assignment due in 8 hours at 11 PM.

Taking bets on who isn't going to get any sleep tonight (or a good grade).

Jesus, this happens every fucking time I have a paper due. You can go back in this thread and pinpoint the days I have had to hand in papers by my posts.

Someone needs to beat some sense into me. Vigorously and with extreme prejudice.

(yeah I'm still procrastinating.)

Someone kill me please.

Same here. Currently finishing a Library Report on Service Design. I have a presentation on Friday and the report is due for Friday or Monday. And I have STILL not really gotten into the nitty gritty of the analysis.

It happens every time I have to deliver a paper. I am a terrible human being.

This is normal part of the academic process. It culls the weak-minded who cannot perform under pressure. Or so I chose to believe for the 7 years of my academi career.

Writing 1,5 k papers the night they were due was normal. The worst stretch I ever did was in last year of law school. In a 52-hour stretch I literally slept 2 hours (I was up two nights in a row writing, plus went to classes, had 2 shifts at work and a soccer playoffs). That was for my 3k words term paper and presentation in e-commerce. I picked my topic about the months earlier.

I woke up at noon on Sunday, and except for a 2 hour nap on Monday I was up till 1 AM on the Tue/Wed night.

Good times.

This post has been edited by Mentalist: 28 November 2016 - 01:23 PM

[QuickTidal]

Puck, on 27 November 2016 - 03:04 PM, said:

Loki, on 27 November 2016 - 02:43 PM, said:

Puck, on 27 November 2016 - 02:38 PM, said:

Oh great, medical problems.. I came to bitch about them as well. Been having issues with headaches for almost two weeks now, the kind where I can barely turn my head. And nothing is helping. I just hope it's a new side effect of my yearly anti-allergy shots and will go away when they're done, but spending the weekend wanting to stick my head into the abyss so taht this might finally go away sucks. And I need to be working, not feeling sorry for myself.

Could they be migraines? I am usually thoroughly against energy drinks but I have found that downing a V (red bull doesn't work for some reason) when those types of headaches start to come on often aborts it. Might be worth giving it a shot?

Also, when did you last have your eye sight checked?

Mmh, maybe? I often get weather-influenced headaches, but this feels different. Again, I suspect the anti-allergy shots. The headaches started the evening of the day when I got the first one for this course, then got a bit better, then started up again with a vengeance when I got my second shot. Or maybe I'm imagining? Or maybe it's that AND the weather. I'm going to swear off heavy food like my doc recommended until the shots are all done, and see if that helps. And also try that energy drink thing - I also usually hate the stuff - but I need to be up and lively at a local ComicCon next weekend.

Last Christmas, and it's been steady for a couple of years now, so I don't think it's an eye sight problem.

Have you been to see a Chiropractor? The combination of pain and the inability to really turn your head leads me to believe you're out of alignment. I honestly didn't believe that such a thing was a possible reason for that. But my sis-in-law is a chiro, and in the first year I knew her whenever I had a bad headache and had issues with turning my head, she would adjust me, and I would be right as rain a little while after. You'd be surprised how often your bones being minorly out of alignment cause you pain in all sorts of non-wonderful ways.

Anyways, might be worth a look.

[Loki]

Chiropractor? See a physio. I don't know what kind of oversight chiropractors have in Canada but the fact they can call themselves doctors here in Oz is an absolute joke. Plus seeing a chiropractor will at best temporarily relieve the symptoms. A physio will actually help strengthen your back and correct your posture/etc. But obviously the first port of call should always be a competent gp.

[Mentalist]

Loki, on 28 November 2016 - 04:18 PM, said:

Chiropractor? See a physio. I don't know what kind of oversight chiropractors have in Canada
but the fact they can call themselves doctors here in Oz is an absolute joke. Plus seeing a chiropractor will at best temporarily relieve the symptoms. A physio will actually help strengthen your back and correct your posture/etc. But obviously the first port of call should always be a competent gp.

In QT's case, the College of Chiropractors of Ontario. Since we're a federation, each province regulates its own healthcare practitioners.

And good like seeing an FD in a timely matter, unless you're basically dying,

This post has been edited by Mentalist: 28 November 2016 - 04:36 PM

[Loki]

Mentalist, on 28 November 2016 - 04:35 PM, said:

Loki, on 28 November 2016 - 04:18 PM, said:

Chiropractor? See a physio. I don't know what kind of oversight chiropractors have in Canada
but the fact they can call themselves doctors here in Oz is an absolute joke. Plus seeing a chiropractor will at best temporarily relieve the symptoms. A physio will actually help strengthen your back and correct your posture/etc. But obviously the first port of call should always be a competent gp.

In QT's case, the College of Chiropractors of Ontario. Since we're a federation, each province regulates its own healthcare practitioners.

And good like seeing an FD in a timely matter, unless you're basically dying,

I actually just took at look at it and chiropractors are heavily regulated in Canada in comparison to here. In fact, I found several discussions by Australian medical professionals that used Canada's approach to regulation as a suggestion or guide for improving things in Australia.

Edit: It looks like chiropractors in Canada exist somewhere between chiropractors here in Oz and physiotherapists. In fact, the entire CAM industry is significantly better in Canada. You can't sell magnesium and claim it cures cancer (like you can here).

This post has been edited by Loki: 28 November 2016 - 05:08 PM

[QuickTidal]

Loki, on 28 November 2016 - 04:18 PM, said:

Chiropractor? See a physio. I don't know what kind of oversight chiropractors have in Canada but the fact they can call themselves doctors here in Oz is an absolute joke. Plus seeing a chiropractor will at best temporarily relieve the symptoms. A physio will actually help strengthen your back and correct your posture/etc. But obviously the first port of call should always be a competent gp.

I would imagine my sister-in-law would not appreciate being called an absolute joke, nor would her years in the Queens medical program indicate such. But that's beside the point.

And Chiro and Physio are different and both have benefits and non-benefits.

But since someone else said it better than I, I've snipped this out from another site:

Physical therapists, by name are therapists. This means they do not diagnosis conditions. This is why they cannot write scripts for x-rays. In fact, physical therapists in general work under another’s referral. Referrals can come from MD’s, podiatrists, dentists and chiropractors. Chiropractors can write a script for patient’s to go to physical therapy. In the same venue, chiropractors do not need a prescription to treat patients. In most places, insurance companies will not reimburse physical therapy treatment without a doctor’s prescription.

Chiropractors on the other hand are not therapists. They are trained as doctors, trained to diagnose, and trained to know when to refer and when not to refer. A good bulk of chiropractic education goes towards differential diagnoses, even of conditions beyond the chiropractor’s scope of treatment. Although chiropractor’s are not trained to diagnose all conditions, they are trained to diagnose conditions. A DPT is a doctor of physical therapy degree. This makes them doctors like a PhD is a doctor, not like an MD is a doctor. The APTA (american physical therapy association) has something called Vision 2020, where they want to upgrade all physical therapy degrees to a DPT degree. To do this, they created a DPT transition program. Under the DPT transition program, a PT with a MS degree can go ONLINE and get a DPT degree in 18 months or less.


This doesn't mean that one is obviously better than the other...but it does mean that Chiro's are going to be able to diagnose what the problem is, while PT can't. Thus, Pucks issue is rather undiagnosed as it stands.

Visiting her GP is a solid good idea, but her GP might not be able to diagnose the issue (as a GP would not specialize in the musculoskeletal). To attend a physio and fix the problem...it would need to be diagnosed first, which a physio cannot do.

In fact, I know from experience that sometimes a GP cannot diagnose this type of issue. My father, who suffered from horrible back problems and neck pain for a decade when I was a kid, has gone to a Chiro for upwards of 30 years now, and that was after a PT could not fix him initially no matter how hard he tried. He has gone to see a Chiro once every 3 months for 30 years and has not had back or next problem since. Sure, you have to go regularly to a Chiro, but they can still help you.

I also think dismissing one over the other is a mistake, as it's going to be up to the patient to sort out what works best for them, and that might mean a visit to both.

[Loki]

QuickTidal, on 28 November 2016 - 05:06 PM, said:

Loki, on 28 November 2016 - 04:18 PM, said:

Chiropractor? See a physio. I don't know what kind of oversight chiropractors have in Canada but the fact they can call themselves doctors here in Oz is an absolute joke. Plus seeing a chiropractor will at best temporarily relieve the symptoms. A physio will actually help strengthen your back and correct your posture/etc. But obviously the first port of call should always be a competent gp.

I would imagine my sister-in-law would not appreciate being called an absolute joke, nor would her years in the Queens medical program indicate such. But that's beside the point.

And Chiro and Physio are different and both have benefits and non-benefits.

But since someone else said it better than I, I've snipped this out from another site:

Physical therapists, by name are therapists. This means they do not diagnosis conditions. This is why they cannot write scripts for x-rays. In fact, physical therapists in general work under another’s referral. Referrals can come from MD’s, podiatrists, dentists and chiropractors. Chiropractors can write a script for patient’s to go to physical therapy. In the same venue, chiropractors do not need a prescription to treat patients. In most places, insurance companies will not reimburse physical therapy treatment without a doctor’s prescription.

Chiropractors on the other hand are not therapists. They are trained as doctors, trained to diagnose, and trained to know when to refer and when not to refer. A good bulk of chiropractic education goes towards differential diagnoses, even of conditions beyond the chiropractor’s scope of treatment. Although chiropractor’s are not trained to diagnose all conditions, they are trained to diagnose conditions. A DPT is a doctor of physical therapy degree. This makes them doctors like a PhD is a doctor, not like an MD is a doctor. The APTA (american physical therapy association) has something called Vision 2020, where they want to upgrade all physical therapy degrees to a DPT degree. To do this, they created a DPT transition program. Under the DPT transition program, a PT with a MS degree can go ONLINE and get a DPT degree in 18 months or less.


This doesn't mean that one is obviously better than the other...but it does mean that Chiro's are going to be able to diagnose what the problem is, while PT can't. Thus, Pucks issue is rather undiagnosed as it stands.

Visiting her GP is a solid good idea, but her GP might not be able to diagnose the issue (as a GP would not specialize in the musculoskeletal). To attend a physio and fix the problem...it would need to be diagnosed first, which a physio cannot do.

In fact, I know from experience that sometimes a GP cannot diagnose this type of issue. My father, who suffered from horrible back problems and neck pain for a decade when I was a kid, has gone to a Chiro for upwards of 30 years now, and that was after a PT could not fix him initially no matter how hard he tried. He has gone to see a Chiro once every 3 months for 30 years and has not had back or next problem since. Sure, you have to go regularly to a Chiro, but they can still help you.

I also think dismissing one over the other is a mistake, as it's going to be up to the patient to sort out what works best for them, and that might mean a visit to both.

I'm not sure if you saw my other post but it turns out chiropractors are held to different levels in our countries. I did say I didn't know what it was like in Canada. My post was based on my knowledge of Australian chiropractors and I took the time to discover more information about Canadas industry.

Edit: For context, in Australia chiropractors can claim to minimise autism, Aspergers, etc despite there being no evidence for it.

They can spout nonesense about toxins. They claim to be able to help cure ailments like cancer etc without being held properly accountable (it is starting to change though).

There is a Chiropractors Association but they don't enforce any kind of standards or regulations.

If a chiropractor injures a client it isn't considered malpractice.

The CAM industry in Australia isn't held accountable for the claims they make or the consequences of those claims.

As an aside: I mentioned the disparity between Australia and Canada and my partner said that everytime chiropractors are mentioned at the hospital the Canadian doctors always mention how drastically different it is here in Australia. Apparently it's a known thing to let new Canadian doctors (new to Oz) know about the industry here since they, unlike Australian doctors, actually have a good regard for chiropractors back in Canada.

This post has been edited by Loki: 28 November 2016 - 05:25 PM

[QuickTidal]

Loki, on 28 November 2016 - 05:12 PM, said:

I'm not sure if you saw my other post but it turns out chiropractors are held to different levels in our countries. I did say I didn't know what it was like in Canada. My post was based on my knowledge of Australian chiropractors and I took the time to discover more information about Canadas industry.

Edit: For context, in Australia chiropractors can claim to minimise autism, Aspergers, etc despite there being no evidence for it.

They can spout nonesense about toxins. They claim to be able to help cure ailments like cancer etc without being held properly accountable (it is starting to change though).

There is a Chiropractors Association but they don't enforce any kind of standards or regulations.

If a chiropractor injures a client it isn't considered malpractice.

The CAM industry in Australia isn't held accountable for the claims they make or the consequences of those claims.

As an aside: I mentioned the disparity between Australia and Canada and my partner said that everytime chiropractors are mentioned at the hospital the Canadian doctors always mention how drastically different it is here in Australia. Apparently it's a known thing to let new Canadian doctors (new to Oz) know about the industry here since they, unlike Australian doctors, actually have a good regard for chiropractors back in Canada.

Ah, noted. I didn't realize they were that far apart with regards to practices (I should check with my sis-in-law and see if she knows how crazy it is in Oz). Chiro's here are fairly well respected, which was why your comment raised my eyebrow. Apologies, I was unaware of the difference.

They don't many any crazy claims here, they just fix you on the regular to keep you aligned.

Now to find out what strictures they are held to in Puck's city! To the bat mobile!

[Slow Ben]

Stop raining!!!

[Loki]

Let me first begin by saying that I fully support breastfeeding mothers right to feed whenever and wherever.

In Australia, we have parents rooms in public buildings and shopping centres. These are rooms that usually include a changing bench, nappy bins, curtained booths with comfortable chairs, a small play area, a toilet with an adult sized and child sized toilet (large enough to take a pram or trolley into), and usually a few chairs in the main area with a tv that is set to the national broadcaster's children station.

These rooms are for the use of all caregivers - mums, dads, grandparents, babysitters, anyone who is taking care of a child.

And yet, frequently you will come across women who view them as 'mothers rooms'. They like to death stare any man who enters and tend to act like territorial bitches.

My brother followed his partner and son into the parents room today and there was a woman breastfeeding in one of the booths but she chose to have the curtain open (totally fine) and had turned the chair so it was facing out of the booth so she could see the tv. Now, as a man, my brother is always uncomfortable around breastfeeding women, not for any reason other than the fear that the woman will accuse him of perving if he so much as glances in her direction. So when he entered and saw her he asked his partner if she was right to toilet their son and then he left the room.

The woman then gave my brother's partner an earful about how inappropriate it was for my brother to look at her and that he shouldn't have just walked into the room like that (the public *parents* room). She used some choice words as well. My brother's partner just left without saying anything.

My brother thinks it's funny. I find it fucking offensive. I hate the entitled mentality that some women have in regards to parenting. I hate every single person who buys into the bullshit that 'mothers know best'. I hate that fathers and male caregivers are made to feel inferior, stupid, incapable.

I will fight anyone who says a woman shouldn't breastfeed in x situation or place. But if you aren't comfortable breastfeeding around other people (which is perfectly fine by the way) then use the bloody curtains and don't just expect men to give up their right to look after their kid in order to maintain your comfort.

It saddens and annoys me that my brother didn't stay in the room and it saddens and annoys me that his partner didn't feel she could correct the woman.

I would have liked to have been there so I could have explained to that mother that I am sorry that she doesn't feel comfortable breastfeeding in front of a strange man but that he is just as entitled to use these facilities as she is.

This post has been edited by Loki: 29 November 2016 - 06:25 AM

[Traveller]

Loki, on 29 November 2016 - 06:19 AM, said:

Let me first begin by saying that I fully support breastfeeding mothers right to feed whenever and wherever.

In Australia, we have parents rooms in public buildings and shopping centres. These are rooms that usually include a changing bench, nappy bins, curtained booths with comfortable chairs, a small play area, a toilet with an adult sized and child sized toilet (large enough to take a pram or trolley into), and usually a few chairs in the main area with a tv that is set to the national broadcaster's children station.

These rooms are for the use of all caregivers - mums, dads, grandparents, babysitters, anyone who is taking care of a child.

And yet, frequently you will come across women who view them as 'mothers rooms'. They like to death stare any man who enters and tend to act like territorial bitches.

My brother followed his partner and son into the parents room today and there was a woman breastfeeding in one of the booths but she chose to have the curtain open (totally fine) and had turned the chair so it was facing out of the booth so she could see the tv. Now, as a man, my brother is always uncomfortable around breastfeeding women, not for any reason other than the fear that the woman will accuse him of perving if he so much as glances in her direction. So when he entered and saw her he asked his partner if she was right to toilet their son and then he left the room.

The woman then gave my brother's partner an earful about how inappropriate it was for my brother to look at her and that he shouldn't have just walked into the room like that (the public *parents* room). She used some choice words as well. My brother's partner just left without saying anything.

My brother thinks it's funny. I find it fucking offensive. I hate the entitled mentality that some women have in regards to parenting. I hate every single person who buys into the bullshit that 'mothers know best'. I hate that fathers and male caregivers are made to feel inferior, stupid, incapable.

I will fight anyone who says a woman shouldn't breastfeed in x situation or place. But if you aren't comfortable breastfeeding around other people (which is perfectly fine by the way) then use the bloody curtains and don't just expect men to give up their right to look after their kid in order to maintain your comfort.

It saddens and annoys me that my brother didn't stay in the room and it saddens and annoys me that his partner didn't feel she could correct the woman.

I would have liked to have been there so I could have explained to that mother that I am sorry that she doesn't feel comfortable breastfeeding in front of a strange man but that he is just as entitled to use these facilities as she is.

Couldn't have put it better myself - totally agree with you. It doesn't help that in the uk at least ALL advertising relating to kids products is aimed at'mums' as being the sole guardian/decision maker/carer etc. Not a dad in sight.

This post has been edited by Traveller: 29 November 2016 - 11:12 PM

[Loki]

Traveller, on 29 November 2016 - 07:15 AM, said:

Loki, on 29 November 2016 - 06:19 AM, said:

Let me first begin by saying that I fully support breastfeeding mothers right to feed whenever and wherever.

In Australia, we have parents rooms in public buildings and shopping centres. These are rooms that usually include a changing bench, nappy bins, curtained booths with comfortable chairs, a small play area, a toilet with an adult sized and child sized toilet (large enough to take a pram or trolley into), and usually a few chairs in the main area with a tv that is set to the national broadcaster's children station.

These rooms are for the use of all caregivers - mums, dads, grandparents, babysitters, anyone who is taking care of a child.

And yet, frequently you will come across women who view them as 'mothers rooms'. They like to death stare any man who enters and tend to act like territorial bitches.

My brother followed his partner and son into the parents room today and there was a woman breastfeeding in one of the booths but she chose to have the curtain open (totally fine) and had turned the chair so it was facing out of the booth so she could see the tv. Now, as a man, my brother is always uncomfortable around breastfeeding women, not for any reason other than the fear that the woman will accuse him of perving if he so much as glances in her direction. So when he entered and saw her he asked his partner if she was right to toilet their son and then he left the room.

The woman then gave my brother's partner an earful about how inappropriate it was for my brother to look at her and that he shouldn't have just walked into the room like that (the public *parents* room). She used some choice words as well. My brother's partner just left without saying anything.

My brother thinks it's funny. I find it fucking offensive. I hate the entitled mentality that some women have in regards to parenting. I hate every single person who buys into the bullshit that 'mothers know best'. I hate that fathers and male caregivers are made to feel inferior, stupid, incapable.

I will fight anyone who says a woman shouldn't breastfeed in x situation or place. But if you aren't comfortable breastfeeding around other people (which is perfectly fine by the way) then use the bloody curtains and don't just expect men to give up their right to look after their kid in order to maintain your comfort.

It saddens and annoys me that my brother didn't stay in the room and it saddens and annoys me that his partner didn't feel she could correct the woman.

I would have liked to have been there so I could have explained to that mother that I am sorry that she doesn't feel comfortable breastfeeding in front of a strange man but that he is just as entitled to use these facilities as she is.

Couldn't have put it better myself - totaly agree with you. It doesn't help that in the uk at least ALL advertising relating to kids products is aimed at'mums' as being the sole guardian/decision maker/carer etc. Not a dad in sight.

That has started to slowly (very slowly) change here in Australia. But the whole 'As a mum' line in advertising is used extensively. In fact, there is no better sure fire way to get me to switch off an ad then the use that line. You know why they use mums instead of doctors to sell a lot of baby medications and products? Because health professionals won't and/or aren't allowed to publicly endorse many of them.

And mothers are still never mocked in ads but dads are frequently treated as buffoons, dumb, clumsy, etc.

Every woman I know with kids hates these ads as much as I do. It makes me wonder just how effective a form of advertising it is. There has to be data that suggests it works since they keep using it, I guess.

[Silencer]

^ I just love the Checkout "as a guilty mum" series for that very reason. Parody the hell out of those stupid ads! (And explain why the products they sell via those ads are often actually over priced or not proven to work/are unsafe.)

[Morgoth]

I just want to point out, in relation to the earlier conversation, that there has yet to be a single scientific study to support any of the basic, foundational premises of Chiropractic medicine. There are some studies implying that spinal manipulation can alleviate lower back pain, but that it's not any more efficient than other methods.

In other words, it has little more going for it than homeopathy.

My previous doctor referred me to a chiropractor when I injured my lower back, and considering what it cost I decided to study up on the subject first. I did give it a shot, and in a way it is pleasant, like a massage I guess, but it provided no difference for me. The placebo effect is weaker if you don't believe in it, after all.

[Mezla PigDog]

The wife of one of my friends is a chiropractor. My friend doesn't believe in it at all. I don't understand how their relationship keeps going.

[Loki]

Morgoth, on 29 November 2016 - 09:16 AM, said:

I just want to point out, in relation to the earlier conversation, that there has yet to be a single scientific study to support any of the basic, foundational premises of Chiropractic medicine. There are some studies implying that spinal manipulation can alleviate lower back pain, but that it's not any more efficient than other methods.

In other words, it has little more going for it than homeopathy.

My previous doctor referred me to a chiropractor when I injured my lower back, and considering what it cost I decided to study up on the subject first. I did give it a shot, and in a way it is pleasant, like a massage I guess, but it provided no difference for me. The placebo effect is weaker if you don't believe in it, after all.

I haven't read them but apparently there is some research to suggest that chiropractors can help to reduce lower back pain with the potential to address the issue without ongoing treatment. However, for anything more than that it's almost completely anecdotal. I have no problem with people engaging in complimentary and alternative medicines if they wish to. I do have an issue with those CAM making false or unsubstantiated claims though. I also have a massive issue with people choosing to employ CAM methods instead of conventional (evidence based) medical treatment for their children (yet another mother is being charged for using CAM treatment to treat her child. The child died of strep. Strep.).

Matador often needs to discuss CAM with patients who say they prefer to treat their issue with homeopathy etc. He usually informs them about how there is no evidence to suggest these things work and that there is no regulation of the claims practitioners make. People are actually usually surprised because they just assume it's illegal to lie about these things so they must be true.

It's like that joke doctors make - What do you call a complimentary or alternative medicine that is supported by evidence, research, and clinical trials? Conventional medicine.