[HoosierDaddy]

Darkwatch, on 26 February 2011 - 03:55 AM, said:

@ Stormy:

It's not a complex, but a house that has apartments in the basements. Before last summer the landlords lived upstairs and were quiet as death. They moved into their own house and rented the upstairs portion as is logical. The problem was, the tenants upstairs never said a thing about having a daycare. There is minimum soundproofing but it isn't up to code, but it wasn't a problem before, now it is.
They don't want to renovate the whole house to get up to code. The reason is that they want to sell the property in the near future (2 years minimum) and develop it into high density residential. They don't want to invest so much for such a short period as far as they are concerned. There is an obvious hole in that logic. Why allow the daycare to expand and do minor renovation to accommodate (a bit cheaper than tearing down all the ceilings and walls I'll admit) if it's only going to be gone soon?
There are also a lot of other logical holes to the point where I think something crooked is going on. After 3 years of having no problems what so ever it's rather disheartening to think that my otherwise fair landlords have suddenly turned. Though to be honest I think it has more to do with their wishywashiness that's put them in a corner and now they're panicking. Still some things don't fit that theory and I only hope I'm paranoid, or this is going to be long.

I'm going to fight this but I'm going to hedge my bets as well.

What's your lease say?

[Darkwatch]

The base one we can actually use is this:

"Tranquility at all hours." Translated from French mind you.

Enforced rather ruthlessly in the past and now it isn't. I was warned for having DnD sessions that were too loud.

I know that in the upstairs lease there was nothing about a daycare being involved (though nothing saying they couldn't and by law the tenants are allowed) and after it was known all conditions and constraints were done oraly.
But there's nothing in our lease about a daycare being upstairs and they never actually told there would be one when they found out (I discovered it by myself) one of the reasons I'm not liking the situation.

[HoosierDaddy]

How long have you lived there and have you signed the lease annually?

Edit: This isn't about you and the upstairs Daycare. It's about you and the owners.

This post has been edited by HoosierDaddy: 26 February 2011 - 04:10 AM

[Darkwatch]

I switched apartments (in the same house) in what will be 2 years ago. I signed the lease then and every year I get a "Reconduction de bail" or "Lease renewal form" in which the only changes are on the price (I read them) and no other conditions. We renew the original lease with amendments to the price only, no other conditions have been changed.

[HoosierDaddy]

Well, if it were me, I'd argue that there had been a substantial change to the situation such that the original and revised leases were no longer adequately reflecting the situation. Thus, you should be able to negotiate a new rent with the lessers.

Really, best scenario here is a cheaper rent for you. Don't think you are going to get anything more as it isn't really practical.

(I.e., trying to enforce what you want would be cost prohibitive.)

[Darkwatch]

From what I've read on the housing regulation site (that of the gov) reduced rent and or compensation are the only things I can get.
The question is will this lesser rent be worth a whole bunch of screaming and running?

[HoosierDaddy]

Darkwatch, on 26 February 2011 - 04:26 AM, said:

From what I've read on the housing regulation site (that of the gov) reduced rent and or compensation are the only things I can get.
The question is will this lesser rent be worth a whole bunch of screaming and running?

What sort of compensation? If you can get a rebate on price paid versus what you "would have paid had you known blah blah blah" and out of the lease it might be worth it to simply go somewhere new.

[Darkwatch]

I am going to look into other places to live, just in case I don't like how things turn out.
The main problem about moving is I'll be moving almost 3 times in two years if that's the case and I do not want that.
Or if I decide to move only once it's back to my hometown in the next few months in a very abrupt fashion instead of a planned situation (I know I have months, still it's not just the practical side but the social side). Also I'd really rather not move back in with my parents. After more than 5 years of living on my own (no roommates) the idea of going back into a full family environment with little or no privacy is something I'd like to avoid.

[amphibian]

The choices are tough. Sack up and deal with them. Preferably after a whiskey bender.

[HoosierDaddy]

I lived in 10 places in 8 years altogether in undergrad and law school, so I guess we are a little bit different on that matter. On living on your own, we are agreed.

[Darkwatch]

My first 3 years I was in a different place for each. Got sick of moving. Meant I had to leave my books back with my parents... Not something I liked.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

Had a ridiculous tiff with one of my friends on Facebook, about a status I made regarding the nationality of the tradesmen working next door. He accused me of racism and practically bit my head off. I apologised for any offence made twice, but he didnt seem to care. This being blown out of proportion just grinds my gears. Doesn't anyone have a fucking sense of humour?

[HoosierDaddy]

Eh, PC Police and those being racist are often never aware when they cross the line. Makes is kind of humorous to sit in the middle and tell them both to shut the fuck up.

[Tsundoku]

@DW
If the daycare operators upstairs brought it in on the sly, then they probably didn't fill in the appropriate permits, didn't get an inspection by the governing authority and probably aren't even up to code for a daycare (they have all sorts of restrictions here in Oz. Get them on OH&S and/or planning permission. Go to the child care authorities if you have to - they're usually quite zealous about rogue operators.

@AIJ
A Fakebook argument? Ree-hee-heeaaally?
These days the oversensitive twits throw around charges like racism as if it's Salem during the witch trials. Tell your so-called "friend" to either harden the fuck up and get a sense of humour, or just shut the fuck up. You're better off without someone like that around.
Fuck, but I hate the bleeding heart PC brigade.

This post has been edited by Sombra: 26 February 2011 - 06:55 AM

[Tapper]

Jade Hog, on 24 February 2011 - 10:36 PM, said:

The loss of my sweet, sweet rep and dignity, among other things.

If I wasn't grinning like a madman every time I see that avatar, title and sig, my sympathy would be most sincere

[Grimjust Bearegular]

With all the trouble down in Libya and the Midddle East and probably other places, the prices are supposed to skyrocket in the near future, i.e the next couple of weeks. Estimated price per litre: NOK 15! That's $ 2.67 per goddamm litre!


back to walking and taking the bus for me I guess.....gods, I hate riding the bus so EFFIN MUCH!!! WHY DON'T THEY JUST ROLL OFF SOMEWHERE AND DIE!!!?

[Gothos]

Warsaw water and not so fresh bacon are making my bowels rebel. Third day and counting.
Bloody hell. I'm afraid to even fart.

[Shiara]

Silverlight and the new retarded incarnation of the 4E Character Builder.

[Centzon Totochtin]

SECONDED

I WANT TO STAB IT!

Also so very torn about my situation at work right now and it hurts my head.

And my brother is moving to Sydney. This is cool , but kinda sad.

[Puck]

My printer's not working and my mom remembered there are still bills that need to be written for her business partners in town, that are due on the last working day of the month, which is today. I'd be happy, if she for once remembered that earlier than an hour before the various shops close down for the day.

Now, to write the stuff manually.. yay..


@Darkwatch: I feel for you, we've got something similar upstairs. Usually just up to five kids, but hell are they annoying. And the people living up there [a family that takes care of other people's annoying brats during the day] aren't any better themselves. We've asked them to tone it down at least during certain hours, but nooo, they aren't bothered by the kids, why should anyone else be.. We've even had a lamp fall out of its attachment once.