[Ain't_It_Just_]

Dribblebib, on Nov 13 2008, 12:51 AM, said:

Don't grow up AIJ! It's crap in adultland!

Realised that as soon as I saw my dad's tax return.

I defy thee, Lord Judeth.

[Chiggerflea]

In DG when Kalam is on the ship heading to Malaz City to assassinate the Empress, he banters with Salk Elan/Pearl. Kalam thinks that Salk is trying to proposition him so he makes a flippant remark that Salk should seek out the sailors. I also recall Felisin making a snide remark to someone, maybe Baudin, that if he preferred boys she could lie on her stomach. From this it's clear that male same-sex relations is not absent from the MBotF world, and may have similar cultures and contexts as our world.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

Kalam+Pearl...ugh!

[Silencer]

I haven't read the whole thread, but I'd like to point out the brief scene in HoC where Karsa comes upon two guys in their slaver hut...well, I'll leave it there.

Just in case anyone hadn't noticed. So there is one direct example of male homosexuality in the books, and it was far more direct than any of the female stuff...

[Excellence]

I've read at least two books recently and almost boight a third with homo romance -- all by women authors.

I've concluded homo sex fascinates women and it seems it's them who's writing it.

Personally, I don't approve. I'm not a prude or anti-gay, but I think it's dispicable, and if you're going to have it in books at least warn buyers before they spend $$$ on you. Most men do not want to be reading men adorabel with men in a book they thought was sci fi.

On a funny note, Gamgee sure did a lot fo Frodo hugging and "I love yous" in those movie, heh heh!


Actually, I think all books should have a classification rating on their inflap cover. Nothing fancy, just a few symbols that warn: mild homo/lesbian romance, frequent coarse lanuage, etc.

And Hood's minted breath, I want to be warned the book is teenaged, that the industry laudably calls "young adult."

[Ain't_It_Just_]

Silencer, on Nov 17 2008, 06:36 PM, said:

I haven't read the whole thread, but I'd like to point out the brief scene in HoC where Karsa comes upon two guys in their slaver hut...well, I'll leave it there.

Just in case anyone hadn't noticed. So there is one direct example of male homosexuality in the books, and it was far more direct than any of the female stuff...

When was this?

[Silencer]

After he escaped from the barn, and was trying to find some Teblor weapons.

EDIT: Page 151 on the Bantam HoC.
"There were seven shacks in all, and in the sixth one - after killing the two men entwined together in the cot beneath the skin of a grey bear..."

See?

[Mcflury]

Chucker of High House Vomit, on Nov 17 2008, 04:05 AM, said:

I also recall Felisin making a snide remark to someone, maybe Baudin, that if he preferred boys she could lie on her stomach.

Yes, it was Felisin to Baudin. To this very day I still find that one of the most intresting things Felisin ever said I was almost laughing out loud when I read it

Silencer, on Nov 17 2008, 10:22 AM, said:

After he escaped from the barn, and was trying to find some Teblor weapons.

EDIT: Page 151 on the Bantam HoC.
"There were seven shacks in all, and in the sixth one - after killing the two men entwined together in the cot beneath the skin of a grey bear..."

See?

LOL, I completely missed that sentence it seems. Pretty well spotted, an indeed, very homosexual-level. Of course, they could've been wrestling too...

[Jude]

we all know what wrestling means.......

[caladanbrood]

Excellence, on Nov 17 2008, 08:04 AM, said:

I've read at least two books recently and almost boight a third with homo romance -- all by women authors.

I've concluded homo sex fascinates women and it seems it's them who's writing it.

Personally, I don't approve. I'm not a prude or anti-gay, but I think it's dispicable, and if you're going to have it in books at least warn buyers before they spend $$$ on you. Most men do not want to be reading men adorabel with men in a book they thought was sci fi.

Seriously? But straight rape or incest scenes are ok in, say, aSoIaF?

Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

[Aptorian]

Excellence, on Nov 17 2008, 09:04 AM, said:

Personally, I don't approve. I'm not a prude or anti-gay, but I think it's dispicable,

You're not anti-hay but you find the act of sex between homosexuals despicable? Somethings not adding up here

I haven't read Lees of Laughters end, but what are peoples impression of Korbald Broach? That is the eunuchs name right? Is he just asexual or is he gay? for some reason I got a gay vibe off him.

[Lisheo]

I always got a gay vibe off Bauchelain, until Lees. Korbal is, imo, asexual.

[Aptorian]

Bauchelin sounded very straight to me, is there any additional info in the latest novel?

[Lisheo]

Yeah, without a doubt he's straight. I dunno. It would have been cule if he was gay.

[Mcflury]

Bauchelin is straight, allthough I do believe he chooses not to have sexual intercourse with anything or anyone. At least I can't remember Bauchelin being laid anywhere

Korbal Broach isn't gay. He's just a eunuch. In other words: he doesn't produce the homrone testosterone (or produces it way less in any way) and thus isn't that manly... maybe those are the gay-vibes you're feeling?

You make me wonder about Bauchelin now... but I don't think he's gay... bisexual perhaps, as in 'I don't care who I screw, since I'm a necromancer whoever I ever get to screw will be dead anyways'.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

Bauchelain and KB aren't gay...their stereotype is the youthful, arrogant rebels who go everywhere, busting a move and causing havoc...except that they are rather old.

I wonder if their seeming misinformance of worldly matters is real or not. perhpas their curiosity overwhelms all else.

[Blend]

Aptorian, on Nov 18 2008, 08:20 PM, said:

Excellence, on Nov 17 2008, 09:04 AM, said:

Personally, I don't approve. I'm not a prude or anti-gay, but I think it's dispicable,

You're not anti-hay but you find the act of sex between homosexuals despicable? Somethings not adding up here

Yeah, seriously... That's probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen anyone say. You're not anti-gay, but you would refrain from buying a book that has any gay scenes in it because it makes you 'uncomfortable'? However, it's okay that SE's books have lesbian sex, cause that just makes you horny? Ridiculous and hypocritical.



@Silencer - Good catch guy, I never would have remembered that!

This post has been edited by Blend: 19 November 2008 - 02:45 PM

[phart]

lorddarkflare, on Oct 6 2008, 01:33 AM, said:

There are enough examples. As mentioned earlier, it is rather difficult for a male writer to write Homosexual Males, and this is mainly due to the fact that even if ideologically and socially they accept gays, there is a deep repulsion ingrained by both nature and society. With that said, there are enough mentions of male homosexuals and homosexual sex, but i do not get the feeling that Erickson gives much weight to that kind of thing. His main(sex related) thing seems to be sexual perversion and role reversal of said perversions(though of the top of my head i can remember 2, i think there were four instances), the two main being the Women rapist of the tenescowi and Beak's mother sexually abusing him and his brother.

Speak for yourself about repulsion by nature, all sorts of animals have same-sex sex.

[phart]

Epiph, on Oct 30 2008, 09:05 PM, said:

Ain't_It_Just_, on Oct 26 2008, 01:35 AM, said:

Sirryn Kanar was gay, as I recall. Yet another reason for me to hate him.

That's exactly the point that zwit was making. Yes, he is gay, but his homosexuality is used to highlight how despicable he is. The vast majority of the explicitly homosexual men in MBotF are villains, whereas every other girl is explicitly bi-curious, although I grant that in Felisin's case it's about survival.

It is a true point, lesbianism/ bisexualism is light relief, the joke between Quorn milk then having a big orgy. A lot of the characters who have a propensity to some male on male action, generally seem to be bad nasty people or its taking a step further, for example incest with chancellor and attempted rape by sirryn(sp?). It's just the way it is it seems.

[phart]

Osric, on Oct 31 2008, 11:53 AM, said:

Epiph, on Oct 30 2008, 09:05 PM, said:

Ain't_It_Just_, on Oct 26 2008, 01:35 AM, said:

Sirryn Kanar was gay, as I recall. Yet another reason for me to hate him.

That's exactly the point that zwit was making. Yes, he is gay, but his homosexuality is used to highlight how despicable he is. The vast majority of the explicitly homosexual men in MBotF are villains, whereas every other girl is explicitly bi-curious, although I grant that in Felisin's case it's about survival.

I have to agree with that.
However to be fair it's basically the way the world views it, girls on girls is fine but men on men is gross, homosexuality/male bisexuality is accepted but generally seen as a negative, while women being lesbian and only liking women is accepted and generally not seen as negative. Women being bisexual is even seen as a good thing.

For example, men don't want to see men kiss and have very strong outspoken opinions about it, but I hardly ever hear women complaining about not wanting to see women kiss each other.

Erikson goes against a lot of stereotypes, lots of major black characters, lots of same gender sex. Maybe a 'good' character that's as outspoken gay as Sirryn Kanar would be cool, but then I don't read these books for political views.

Really? i don't have any problem seeing any two people kissing my reaction is always the same, not to look. I lived with a gay guy when i was doing my first undergraduate and i had some preconceptions which were proved false, apart from sex and the city nights.

My friends and colleagues don't or have never espoused this to me either. Though i work in the sector which has the highest outwardly gay people, not air travel but academia.