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Mafia 27: The Escape of the Benses (Game Thread)

#401 Guest_Telas_*

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:17 PM

Galain;374923 said:

At Tetass. There is nothing in there! My quick on and off Omtose? How many hours? And the only reason I pulled it is because he's CI. DUH! wasn't working out my ass. your is a SMA!! Ha got to use it. Working right now so I can't write long post right now


I should have been more specific. I didn't mean in terms of hours, I meant in terms posts - very few posts (if any? I don't remember now) between voting and unvoting for Omtose. And you removed vote before it was confirmed that Omtose and Mockra were partners who could communicate, i.e. very quick to absolve yourself of anything.
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#402 Guest_Serc_*

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:21 PM

Tennes;374922 said:

The last BB/UB game we had three pairs of players. It aint too much to assume if someone has a role they also have a partner, until we find BB those partnerships are our best fucking bet. Now soemnone cant come forward and go ruse isnt evil he was partnered to me as that exposes both sides, but not letting someone have a chance to reveal or do something is annoying to me, that people treat every fucking game the same when they are totally different is really frustrating.

the mechanics of this game especially are very different so why should standard mafia protocol apply?

If ruse was roled, chances are he had a partner, i find it hard to believe someone would reveal another code like that without some basis for doubt. If he had been partnered he would know the chances of omtose and mockra being partnered were diminished and with the code one way assume it was either a vague signal or a threat.

also the maths is very fucking simple, if ruse was a healer and partnered his partner is still fucking safe, while he would have saved either one of the two revealed players he forced out by his actions.

The fact is we dont know and wont until we die what if any role he had. but i am angry that people vote so heavily with the little or no reasons or debate about reasons for ruse exposing players like that, they just jumped on it and didnt seem to want to offer him the chances to explain.

Not meaning to take it outon you serc, just angry.


I see where you are coming from, but with the suspicions on him, he needed to be hammered day 1. He was given PLENTY of time to reveal, or for his partner to come forward... but unless he was part of a guard pair, his partner staying silent is for the best.

There was 20, TWO ZERO minutes left in the day. I think Ruse was given plenty of time to explain, considering the time frame we had to work in.
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#403 Guest_Mockra_*

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:21 PM

i also dont understand, if ruse revealed he DID have a partner, why would we believe him unless the partner confirmed it...so....bah its all fucking moot.
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#404 Guest_Shadow_*

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:22 PM

Mockra it was a joke, you know, the HAHAHAHA should have gave it away.
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:24 PM

At least I felt that if the HAHAHAHA didnt the :Rodeo: surely should have. D:D:cool:
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#406 Guest_Mockra_*

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:25 PM

No it actually wasnt that obviously a joke.

HAHAHA means your laughing AT the person.

:Rodeo:
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#407 Guest_Tennes_*

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:28 PM

he couldnt lie, even if he wasnt lynched, he would have been investigated. Plus his partner would never come forward and i would never ask them too.

@serc - i am afriad you got the brunt of my anger for no reason, and i did apologise. ruse had amble time, but i didnt agree with people saying he shouldnt reveal, if he was a healer and had a partner why the fuck would he have gone done quietly??? its just silly. by revealing he would have been able to agree to protect one of the other revealed players with a night action and possibly draw a night kill from them as healer is the weakest power at this point of the game.

finders and guards are the shit in this game. healers and vigs arent useful until end game.

as mockra says it is moot, but i dislike generalisation on tactics, we dont all follow a rule book, we play as we see best fit. To lynch or villify players simply because they disagree with your standard rule set is small minded and foolish.
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:28 PM

Mockra;374935 said:

No it actually wasnt that obviously a joke.

HAHAHA means your laughing AT the person.

:Rodeo:



Would tee hee have been better, or maybe a gufaw?
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:30 PM

Tennes;374936 said:

To lynch or villify players simply because they disagree with your standard rule set is small minded and foolish.


Yeah, Omtose, what Tennes said. GUFAW!!!!! UH-Huyuck!
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#410 Guest_Kaschan_*

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:36 PM

I can TYPE! Its a MIRACLE!

Ok, quickly catching up. Nice to see everyone.
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#411 Guest_Shadow_*

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:36 PM

Hello, is this thing on? Where did everyone go? Am I alone? Do I smell?

*Sigh, stupid waiting game.
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#412 Guest_Shadow_*

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:37 PM

Hey, Kas, wow, you can talk, and spell properly!
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#413 Guest_Mockra_*

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:38 PM

Tennes;374936 said:

finders and guards are the shit in this game. healers and vigs arent useful until end game.

Healers arent usfull till end game?

goddamn a healer could be very usefull tonight? were do you get that from?
Healers are Always usefull

Tennes;374936 said:

as mockra says it is moot, but i dislike generalisation on tactics, we dont all follow a rule book, we play as we see best fit. To lynch or villify players simply because they disagree with your standard rule set is small minded and foolish.


Im not going by a standard rule set, im playing the odds, and odds are that if he is a healer he doesnt have a partner. As JA specifically said there will not be partners for all the roles this game, and since im already a lover there is less chance of firstly ruse even being the healer and secondly having a partner.

Paired partners is a bit overkill though as they can just reveal and heal themselves till the end, doubt JA would put them in pairs.

As far as i am concerned healers revealing generally only helps the scum players, and would stay away from it. Its like role speculation.
These things have been discussed to death in many games.

I understand you are angry at how things turned out, but what would you have us do?...go without a lynch today because a potential symp COULD have revealed as a healer and COULD be a lover to boot?
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:39 PM

Shadow;374938 said:

Would tee hee have been better, or maybe a gufaw?


Teehee is ok

gufaw is just down right derogatory :Rodeo:
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#415 Guest_Kaschan_*

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:39 PM

I can TYPE! Its a MIRACLE!

Ok, quickly catching up. Nice to see everyone.

Edit: Healers are useful and should only very rarely reveal. This isnt one of those times. Dont.

Ruse was lynched for role speculation/revealing others roles pretty much yes?
I feel this is fair enough. Even if he wasnt evil its a very stupid thing to do, and hinders the innos.

Oh yeah, while I remember i'm gonna try explain the Fener thing. Something he said was very close to what PS quoted UB saying in his pm to me. Basically UB said Silence Kaschan because I don't like that role :Rodeo:. This was strikingly close to something Fener said. As I tried to say it could very easily be coincidence. In short, I was a bit suspicious and was prodding Fener to see if I got a suspicious reaction. There wasnt one, so for the moment i am happy enough he isnt UB.
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:41 PM

Kaschan;374942 said:

I can TYPE! Its a MIRACLE!

Ok, quickly catching up. Nice to see everyone.


Could you be a bit clearer on the whole fener thing for us now that you can talk?
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#417 Guest_Shadow_*

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:42 PM

deja-vu? I mean,

Hey Kas, wow, you can talk, and spell properly
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#418 Guest_Tennes_*

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:42 PM

Mockra;374947 said:

Healers arent usfull till end game?

goddamn a healer could be very usefull tonight? were do you get that from?
Healers are Always usefull



Im not going by a standard rule set, im playing the odds, and odds are that if he is a healer he doesnt have a partner. As JA specifically said there will not be partners for all the roles this game, and since im already a lover there is less chance of firstly ruse even being the healer and secondly having a partner.

Paired partners is a bit overkill though as they can just reveal and heal themselves till the end, doubt JA would put them in pairs.

As far as i am concerned healers revealing generally only helps the scum players, and would stay away from it. Its like role speculation.
These things have been discussed to death in many games.

I understand you are angry at how things turned out, but what would you have us do?...go without a lynch today because a potential symp COULD have revealed as a healer and COULD be a lover to boot?



i am going to underline that line. think about it from yellows perspective and we are using healers as worst case yes? If he was partnered the chances of you being partnered were significantly reduced. So much so that he felt it necessary to expose your code.
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#419 Guest_Kaschan_*

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:49 PM

Wow, cross-postage.

I've edited in my reasons for fener in the above post. If you cant be bothered with them, then basically I was mildly suspicious and prodding for a suspicious reaction.
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:50 PM

Tennes;374956 said:

i am going to underline that line. think about it from yellows perspective and we are using healers as worst case yes? If he was partnered the chances of you being partnered were significantly reduced. So much so that he felt it necessary to expose your code.


He said he felt we were BB and UB

there is no reason for UB to code BB's name.

yellow was either scum or played poorly, im not sure what else you are getting at.
Are you convinced that he was paired aswell?
If so then why reveal this?
And why continue on this line of speculation that borders on serious (and real scummy) role speculation.

to go with your call for the role reveal?
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