[Adjudicator]

 caladanbrood, on Nov 11 2008, 11:10 PM, said:

 Adjudicator, on Nov 11 2008, 09:54 PM, said:

Deadline's gone.

Heehee, seems I have no right to post in 3.0 about extensions, as we have one ourselves
Will post the topic if it takes the offender slowpoke person in question (kill him, kill him!) less than 90 min to compose orders, will postpone till tomorrow if he doesn't.

For anyone who has submitted moves already: I won't accept changes, this is a pure emergency.

Have we not got to the stage now where people learn to put in provisionals if there's any chance they might not put in real orders? Seriously?




I suggest a new rule - each person only gets a limited number of extensions to a deadline. Say, four... If you're late, there is an extension, but you lose a strike. Once you've hit four, you no longer get extensions unless clearly asked for beforehand with a good reason.

Sounds like a plan, but to be introduced at spring 2002, I'd say, so people can adjust themselves to it.

However, something else has come to my attention: I can't count. Mistook one provisional for the required number of submissions, instead of looking at the name. We lack input from another player, too, and I doubt he'll respond fast. So, I'll postpone till tomorrow 10 PM or until that person sends his moves in, he has been PMed.

Next deadline will be Friday as usual for the Fall turn.

[caladanbrood]

Why do they need time to adjust? The four moves they can get away with before running out of chances is surely enough time?

Personally, I'd make it two or three, but I'm impatient and get easily angered by people who fuck the rest of us around by continuously taking the piss like this.

[Thelomen Toblerone]

Sigh, who is it this time?

I say they forfeit all their territories to someone. Someone purple, say.

[Adjudicator]

It was DiBs first, who then turned in within 10 minutes of asking for a short duration extension. He's been setting up and modding a Mafia game.
Then I noticed that Gavin hadn't submitted. We all know he's dealing with a financial crisis, so I decided to be lenient. Haven't received anything yet.

[drinksinbars]

aye it was coming up to the day 1 lynch and i wasnt keeping trackof time but i did submit at five past, after asking for twenty minutes at 5 too!!!!

[Adjudicator]

Oki, closing it down. No moves received from Gavin.

[Adjudicator]

Moves:

Britain:
F Iri Supports F Mid - Nao
A Bel - Hol
F Lap - Nwg
F Hel - Den
F Nth Supports F Hel - Den

Egypt:
A Adana Supports A Izmir - Ankara
F Aegean Sea Supports F Istanbul
A Anatolia Supports A Adana
F Eastern Mediterannean Convoys A Andalusia - Syria
F Greece Supports F Istanbul
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Andalusia - Syria
A Irak Supports F Iran(sc)
F Iran(sc), no move received
F Istanbul Supports A Izmir - Ankara
A Izmir - Ankara
A Macedonia Supports A Albania - Serbia


Italy:
Ven support Mil.
Mil support Ven.

France:
no orders received.

Poland:
A Austria Supports A Croatia
A Berlin - Hamburg
A Bosnia Supports A Serbia
A Czech Republic Supports A Austria
A Frankfurt Supports A Munich
F Gdansk - Prussia
A Krakow - hold
A Munich Hold
A Saxony Supports A Munich
F Sweden - Skagerrak

Russia: called 'fuck it'
ROS to GEO
A ARM to IRN
A AZE supports A ARM to IRN
F WBS supports A ANK to hold
f ham - hel
f den support f ham - hel
f brn to nwg
f ire to nao
f stp to gob
a mur to lap
a nor support a mur to lap

Spain:
F Adriatic Sea Supports A Albania - Serbia
A Albania - Serbia
A Andalusia - Syria
A Apulia Supports A Venice
F Maltese Sea Convoys A Andalusia - Syria
F Mid Atlantic Ocean - North Atlantic Ocean
A Navarra Hold
F Tyrrhenian Sea Convoys A Andalusia - Syria
F Western Mediterranean Convoys A Andalusia - Syria

Ukraine:
A KAZ to IRN
A ODE to POD
A KIE hold
A CRO supports A SER to hold
A SER supports A RUM to BUL
A BUL to IST
A RUM to BUL
F SEV to DON
F EBS supports A ANK to hold

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Next deadline (retreats):
Friday, 10 PM. Move phase ends at Tuesday.

New rule:
From now on, every player has 3 strikes for free, 24 hour extensions.

[caladanbrood]

Seriously, 48 hour deadline for one retreat, which doesn't even really have options to decide between, unless he feels like a stab? Eesh Get it done in a day and have done with it.

[drinksinbars]

i put it in this morning whinger

[caladanbrood]

Exactly! So why do we need a 48 hour deadline?

[Adjudicator]

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Oh, and deadline being 48 hours is for it being convenient for resolution, with standard days. I have little wish to have different days for deadlines each game turn. Call me a lazy conservative, but if people regularly miss 3 day deadlines at fixed days (Tuesdays and Fridays), I have little faith in play actually speeding up when the fixed days become flexible times to speed up.

This post has been edited by Adjudicator: 14 November 2008 - 11:19 PM

[Adjudicator]

3.5 hours till deadline. I have orders from England, Egypt, Italy, Spain, Ukraine, Russia.

Poland and France missing. Seeing how the forum has been (unexpectedly) down for quite a few hours (10+) and this may have gone straight through Gavin's workday, I'm now going to ask who is opposed to an extension by 18 hours, free of strikes, should one or both be unable to submit?

Also, I have received a question whether or not orders can be submitted with an 'if' scenario, the 'if' being when a player misses the deadline.

For example: A Mun S France's A Burgundy - Ruhr

if France is not around, A Mun - Ruhr

I've just decided that the answer is No, despite the doubt I had on the issue in my PM to the player asking that.
The game would become an opportunistic landgrab rather rapidly, not to mention that the amount of provisionals would be through the roof, especially for central powers who border everyone.

[Imperial Historian]

My orders are in, and somewhat obviously i'm against an extension as france will probably attack me

[drinksinbars]

cant have conditionals, we could say if brood attacks there make everyone defend it.

this will be gavs second miss in a row, is it an actual miss or has he given up???

[Sir Thursday]

 drinksinbars, on Nov 18 2008, 10:12 PM, said:

cant have conditionals, we could say if brood attacks there make everyone defend it.

this will be gavs second miss in a row, is it an actual miss or has he given up???

I don't think the conditional comparison is quite valid, because saying "defend here if x attacks" is not the same as "if my ally/enemy has failed to submit a turn, I have a backup plan." But I can see why Tapper doesn't want people doing it...


Sir Thursday

[caladanbrood]

 Adjudicator, on Nov 18 2008, 06:38 PM, said:

Also, I have received a question whether or not orders can be submitted with an 'if' scenario, the 'if' being when a player misses the deadline.

For example: A Mun S France's A Burgundy - Ruhr

if France is not around, A Mun - Ruhr

I've just decided that the answer is No, despite the doubt I had on the issue in my PM to the player asking that.

Who asked that? Definitely not!

I hate extensions, but this is actually a valid reason I suppose

[Gavin]

Hey no fair board was down I was all ready to do moves and everything but I needed to check my messages first.
I'm at work now, will get my turns in when I get home tonight, so about 11 hours from now or so.

[drinksinbars]

 Sir Thursday, on Nov 18 2008, 10:47 PM, said:

 drinksinbars, on Nov 18 2008, 10:12 PM, said:

cant have conditionals, we could say if brood attacks there make everyone defend it.

this will be gavs second miss in a row, is it an actual miss or has he given up???

I don't think the conditional comparison is quite valid, because saying "defend here if x attacks" is not the same as "if my ally/enemy has failed to submit a turn, I have a backup plan." But I can see why Tapper doesn't want people doing it...


Sir Thursday

of course it is, you plan witht he thought of people moving, you cant say if he doesnt move do soemthing differently its not fair on the other person or other players.

no worries gav - thats what the strikes are for!!!

[Adjudicator]

Moves:

Britain:
F Den - Ham
A Bel Supports F Den - Ham
F Nth Supports A Bel
F Iri - Ire

Egypt:
A Adana Supports F Istanbul - Ankara
F Aegean Sea - Istanbul
A Anatolia Supports F Istanbul - Ankara
F Eastern Mediterannean - Aegean Sea
F Greece Supports F Aegean Sea - Istanbul
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Apulia - Albania
A Irak Supports F Iran(sc)
F Iran(sc) Hold
F Istanbul - Ankara
A Izmir Supports F Istanbul - Ankara
A Macedonia Supports A Albania - Serbia

France:
A Alsace - Munich
A Lyon Supports A Switzerland
A Marseilles Supports A Switzerland
A Paris, no move received
A Ruhr Supports F Denmark - Hamburg
A Switzerland Supports A Alsace - Munich

Italy:
A ven-cro
A mil supports A switzerland.

Poland:
A Austria Supports A Munich
A Bosnia Supports A Serbia
A Czech Republic Supports A Austria
A Frankfurt - Hamburg
A Hamburg - Denmark
A Krakow - Slovakia
A Munich Hold
F Prussia - Berlin
A Saxony Supports A Munich
F Skagerrak Supports F Heligoland Bight - North Sea

Russia:
A Ankara Hold
A Armenia - Iran
A Azerbaijan Supports A Armenia - Iran
F Barents Sea - Norwegian Sea
F Bornholm Sea Supports A Hamburg - Denmark
A Georgia Supports A Ankara
F Gulf of Bothnia - Sweden
F Heligoland Bight - North Sea
F Ireland Hold
A Lapland Supports F Gulf of Bothnia - Sweden
A Norway Supports F Gulf of Bothnia - Sweden
F Western Black Sea Supports A Ankara

Spain:
F Adriatic Sea Supports A Albania - Serbia
A Albania - Serbia
A Apulia - Albania
F Maltese Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Navarra Hold
F North Atlantic Ocean Supports F Irish Sea - Ireland
A Syria Supports A Adana
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Western Mediterranean
F Western Mediterranean - Straits of Gibraltar

Ukraine:
A Bulgaria Supports A Serbia to hold
A Croatia Supports A Serbia to hold
F Donbas hold
F Eastern Black Sea Supports A Ankara
A Kazakhstan Supports A Armenia - Iran
A Kiev - Odessa
A Podolia - Hungary
A Rumania Supports A Bulgaria
A Serbia Supports A Croatia

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[caladanbrood]

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