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#21 HoosierDaddy

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:45 PM

Illuyankas;357151 said:

L'oric is Osserc's son. He's under some kind of reverse-Nimander wussification effect, going from alright to fail from HOC to TBH. I can't imagine a less likely ascendant Tiste or part-Tiste. Yes, including Pearl.

What was his purpose in joining the damned Whirlwind anyways? More of his black and white sense of justice? I forget. One positive of Loric was getting Greyfrog. I like that demon-toad.

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#22 Dance

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:54 PM

HoosierDaddy;357148 said:

We don't really know. I think there was speculation that he was Captain for a while, but it might have been one of those roles where he was merely there for a single purpose, like the Mason and Soldier in TTH. They aren't really forever and always these roles like the Seguleh 2nd and Baudin seem to be.

Why would Father Light want dragnipur? It's hard to attach desires to a title we for which we have no idea what person occupies it.

Because Dragnipur contains (or contained, if you would) the gateway to Mother Dark?

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 10:13 PM

But the flashbacks in TTH recall the birth of the sun in Galain and the arrival of Father Light. Did he get banished as well, or go start his own world (the Liosan realm)?

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 10:41 PM

Dance;357145 said:

L'oric is a Liosan ascendant if I recall right.

What if it was Father Light directly?

I don't know if we can say definitely that L'oric was an ascendant.

As for Father Light...we know nothing about him/it. Perhaps it was him....or perhaps he doesn't give a shit about what's going on in the current conflict.

I could go into a crazy theory I had about Draconus being Father Light but it just makes my head hurt and isn't true

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 10:44 PM

Optimus Prime;357192 said:

I could go into a crazy theory I had about Draconus being Father Light but it just makes my head hurt

and will also lead to scorn being poured upon you

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 10:50 PM

Cougar;357194 said:

and will also lead to scorn being poured upon you

Yah I know....that's why I nixed that one.

I don't really expect to see Father Light...unless he turns out to be someone we've seen already.

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 04:36 AM

Optimus Prime;357200 said:

Yah I know....that's why I nixed that one.

I don't really expect to see Father Light...unless he turns out to be someone we've seen already.

this is my thinking as well... i had a big rant about how edgewalker could be FL a while back..seemed to make sense at the time

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 04:46 AM

Who/what is the enemy really? What kind of army was it the dead fought in Dragnipur? Were they even antropoid? I have faith in SE and hope we get some non-generic answer to that (I'll be disappointed if it's some abstract thing like the "bad parts of dead people" or whatever the speculation was).

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 05:21 AM

Pig Iron;357324 said:

Be prepared to be dissapointed I'd think. Chaos is chaotic (wow, really? No. Never!). I don't think there is much more behind the marching armies of chaos other than chaos's own cognizance.

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 07:49 AM

HoosierDaddy;357332 said:

Be prepared to be dissapointed I'd think. Chaos is chaotic (wow, really? No. Never!). I don't think there is much more behind the marching armies of chaos other than chaos's own cognizance.

Might be. Hopefully SE will make it work stylistically anyway.

It's just that with all other aspects of the series universe/multiverse you have complex stories where even really archaic elements are given structure and depth (Dark/Light/Death and so on). We have seen alot of different facets of chaos so far; with the dragons, SD, the Abyss (maybe) and even the KCCM being tied to it in different ways. Would be a bit disappointing if the armies were just pulled out of a hat after all that.

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 07:51 AM

Pig Iron;357374 said:

Might be. Hopefully SE will make it work stylistically anyway.

It's just that with all other aspects of the series universe/multiverse you have complex stories where even really archaic elements are given structure and depth (Dark/Light/Death and so on). We have seen alot of aspects of chaos so far; with the dragons, SD, the Abyss and even the KCCM being tied to it in different ways. Would be a bit disappointing if the armies were just pulled out of a hat after all that.

Oh, I very well could be wrong, but I just think that the Chaos in dragnipur was the, for lack of a better term, "elemental force". The primeval essence that has been chasing "ordered" M.D. since the universe's inception.

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 10:04 AM

hmm, stupid questions... how about, why were there a load of pickled Segulah in k'ruls bar basement? I think i missed any sort of explanation of those. And was there any possible link to the renegade Segulah?

#33 Terez

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 10:55 AM

Here's my stupid question:

Did anyone else get Lady Varada and Envy confused?

The President (2012) said:

Please proceed, Governor.

Chris Christie (2016) said:

There it is.

Elizabeth Warren (2020) said:

And no, I’m not talking about Donald Trump. I’m talking about Mayor Bloomberg.

#34 BeLeG

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 10:57 AM

here's mine

why do some people call them the "Segulah"?

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 10:58 AM

Because they're bad people.

#36 Traveller

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 11:03 AM

Very bad. Not as quite as bad as calling Dassem 'dasseem' though.

#37 Illuyankas

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 11:31 AM

Or Dassembelackis.

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 02:04 PM

Pig Iron;357324 said:

Who/what is the enemy really? What kind of army was it the dead fought in Dragnipur? ....

This bugged me - initially someone, Pearl i think, speculates that the Armies of Chaos will be dark reflections of those they fight, but when the fit shits the han, we never get the sort of descriptions that other battles have had, with sharp things going stabby and people sweating and stuff. The closeset we really get to a description is a cloud of chaos taking out a dragon.

That said, this was a battle between 'chaos' and for the most part, disembodied souls of the dead (Soldier Knight Herald and the Ascendent Bridgeburners would seem to be more than that but they weren't singled out for description of the battle.) - it was more figurative than physical and i suspect that's how SE choose to address it.

Terez;357472 said:

Here's my stupid question:

Did anyone else get Lady Varada and Envy confused?

No, but up until Spite made her move on Envy, I did wonder whether Varada was Spite in disguise.

Illuyankas;357512 said:

Or Dassembelackis.

See also confusion re Mock, Mok and Nok, Kamal, Gruntel, Krull, Dragonus and Gimli son of Groin.

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#39 tiam

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Posted 24 July 2008 - 12:04 PM

Terez;357472 said:

Here's my stupid question:

Did anyone else get Lady Varada and Envy confused?

Im on a reread and still dont know. I thought that Lady Envy was Varada but then i thought it was Vorcan. At the end it appeared that it was Vocan and Envy simply appeared behind Spite.

My stupid question- How did Siclhas betray Andarist. When the three of them meet and talk about the other Andii in civil war Ruin starts crying when hes talking about betraying Andarist

#40 matnor

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Posted 24 July 2008 - 01:43 PM

I've got a stupid question. What was Dassem trying to achieve in the fight versus Rake? He seemed intent on killing Hood so why didn't he let himself be killed by Dragnipur so he could follow Hood into the realm of the sword. If he actually had a reason for killing Rake then why did he just sit there after the fight was done?