[Aptorian]

I realize that the world doesn't really work this way, especially show business, but I don't understand how you can hire somebody to do a show he isn't passionate about. These Netflix shows should be love letters to the characters, to comics, to eras they came out of. There's none of that in Iron Fist.

[QuickTidal]

Seduce Goose, on 31 July 2017 - 12:51 PM, said:

I realize that the world doesn't really work this way, especially show business, but I don't understand how you can hire somebody to do a show he isn't passionate about. These Netflix shows should be love letters to the characters, to comics, to eras they came out of. There's none of that in Iron Fist.

Buck is apparently a decent writer....but a show runner (a relatively newer TV title job that came about after shows like LOST and other arc-based episodic TV came about) needs to run the entire shindig, from the main arc, overseeing the writing, the music, the cinematographic choices, the casting...ect. They are basically like the director of a movie....only the movie is 13hours long and employs WAY more people and things to oversee.

The other three Netflix shows, were Showrun by people who had done this before to a certain extent.

Buck was shouldertapped to do this on the back of having written some decent SIX FEET UNDER and DEXTER episodes, but nothing else. No "directorial skills" whatsoever that I can tell.

So IF ends up being a complete mishmash of things where you can tell Buck simply delegated to those he figured might be good at their particular roles, and didn't "oversee" it as a whole. So the result is a bunch of completely different stylistic and narrative choices by a bunch of different "heads of department" who didn't understand that they needed to "collaborate". so you've got, for example, Trevor Morris on the score (a local boy to me, from London Ontario) with a half decent track record of music...but I'm 100% positive he likely had to speak with NO one but Buck...and I'll wager Buck just let him die what he does. Resulting in a score that is not only lacklustre, but actively works AGAINST the narrative....because no one was there to "check" Morris on ideas and thematic choices. Buck needs to be that person, and you can tell he wasn't.

Also, remember that the person in charge of the TV wing of Marvel...is Ike "fucking" Perlmutter....and he could care less about the whole thing.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 31 July 2017 - 01:09 PM

[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 31 July 2017 - 12:36 PM, said:

Seduce Goose, on 31 July 2017 - 12:30 PM, said:

Finished Iron Fist S1 this morning, because why not start out the day by ruining it?

It was terrible. I hope everybody in charge of making that show got fired.

Sidebar: Scott Buck, the show runner for IRON FIST....who I don't think has the skills at that job AT ALL...is the show runner now for THE INHUMANS tv show...and may be a big reason why THAT show looks like such a goddamn train wreck.

Basically, I think Buck needs to be kept away from TV.

Basically, yes.
I suspect he works relatively cheap, has made some friends, and gets projects no one really cares about that are guaranteed a second season because Marvel.

Seduce Goose, on 31 July 2017 - 12:51 PM, said:

I realize that the world doesn't really work this way, especially show business, but I don't understand how you can hire somebody to do a show he isn't passionate about. These Netflix shows should be love letters to the characters, to comics, to eras they came out of. There's none of that in Iron Fist.

I want them to have the skill, knowledge and professionalism to turn out a good product. 'Good enough' instead of 'Great' has been a running them with Marvel TV since AoS started and it frustrates me. Sure, DC tv has its slow runs and weaker seasons, but overall not one season of ARROW has irritated me nearly as much as most of the 'Foggy & Karen talk about stuff while the Kingpin has romantic angst' from DD S1 (tho to be fair, LEGENDS season was was awful, but they turned it around in S2).

Passion is great, but looking at a script, or a sequences, and saying 'that was crap, we need to redo/re-edit/rewrite' is fucking TV 101.

QuickTidal, on 31 July 2017 - 01:08 PM, said:

Buck is apparently a decent writer....but a show runner (a relatively newer TV title job that came about after shows like LOST and other arc-based episodic TV came about) needs to run the entire shindig, from the main arc, overseeing the writing, the music, the cinematographic choices, the casting...ect. They are basically like the director of a movie....... Buck needs to be that person, and you can tell he wasn't.

Also, remember that the person in charge of the TV wing of Marvel...is Ike "fucking" Perlmutter....and he could care less about the whole thing.

Yep. But they keep giving him work.

As for Perlmutter, he's all about bathing in the moviemoney. I can't really blame the head of a corporation for caring most about the shareholders' bottom lines, but i do wish a few more bodies in the chain were just a little more influential and less crap. Unfortunately, the people who really love this stuff, JJ, Joss, Cruz etc, are making movies. See "Perlmutter".

[worry]

You softy.

[worry]

If it trends, an entertainment mag or blog will no doubt collect all the best ones.

[Malankazooie]

Oh snap! <queue Samuel L. Jackson in Jurassic Park saying "hold onto your butts">

HBO hacked: Upcoming episodes, Game of Thrones data leaked online

[worry]

https://twitter.com/...187863131009028

[Abyss]

Harris + cable-tv paranormal + how True Blood evolved + sheers hours of tv sitting unwatched on my DVR, computer and various streaming services = Uninterested.

[Abyss]

Just finished marathoning HOMELAND season 6.

Interesting season, well told. Avoided a lot of the placeholding and frustrating tangents of previous seasons. Stayed nicely on point, set up compelling adversaries who were clever if predictable at times, put the cast in what felt like real jeopardy, and moved along at a good pace to a solid ending and great twist. It was very much rooted in the current American political climate but with some nice shifts away from a flat out Republican Trumpocracy. I liked that it was set mostly in New York and Washington, with very litle travel aside from one suitably tense excursion by Saul, not Carrie for a change.

Claire Danes' Carrie was more effective than in the past but still vulnerable and very very humanly weak at the right times. Saul was Saul, gloriously consistent. Quinn... damn... Rupert Friend earned his acting paycheque.
President Keane was a great character and i am so very very curious to see where they go with her in S7.

[worry]

I haven't seen any of that show, but tell me: has she reached her homeland yet? By six seasons in?

[Abyss]

worry, on 08 August 2017 - 06:48 PM, said:

I haven't seen any of that show, but tell me: has she reached her homeland yet? By six seasons in?

Yes, but God wouldn't let her in and she had to return to the desert.

[worry]

[Aptorian]

[Itwæs Nom]

Seduce Goose, on 08 August 2017 - 08:09 PM, said:

Damn, me and a guy had so many laughs over references we made to this video during our english classes in elementary. Had to entertain ourselves somehow while teacher tended to the incompetent rest of the class. Shit that brings some memories, I miss that guy.

[Primateus]

Abyss, on 08 August 2017 - 07:26 PM, said:

worry, on 08 August 2017 - 06:48 PM, said:

I haven't seen any of that show, but tell me: has she reached her homeland yet? By six seasons in?

Yes, but God wouldn't let her in and she had to return to the desert.

Y'know, I always thought that Homeland was about how that Lieutenant under Ross' command coming back from fighting the nazis had actually become a nazi himself. Or something like that?

[Aptorian]

Just finished watching Elementary season 5. This show is floundering.

It's still the same quality as before. Every episode is roughly of the same quality and complexity that I remember from prior seasons, but this who season feels almost pointless.

The big event of the last seasons finale is completely ignored in this season, which quite frankly is shocking. After so many seasons without Moriarty and a evil organisation in the background, I thought we were finale going to get secret evil mastermind plotting that could challenge Holmes but nope.

The Shinwell arch was stupid from the start and felt tagged on. Like "We need some pet project from Watson this season" and that's all it really was. Never felt it went anywhere, never felt like Watson had any real growth from it, all though the season finale certainly suggested a new found darkness was in her.

And worst of all was Sherlock. I like Johnny Lee Millers take on a modern Sherlock Holmes but the character needs a challenge. In the first seasons it felt like there was a fun playful exploration of Sherlock as a modern weird introvert but the character doesn't change.

Only at the end of this season, they introduced something that should had been an arch that ran over the entire season:

Spoiler

He started to hallucinate his own mother, was forgetting things and the show ended with a brain scan. I assume he might have some brain damage from Shinwell's attack. Why confine this to two episodes? I know the show is very married to the idea of being an easy to pick up episodic series but I wish there was more of a reward to following the whole season.

Now that she's done with Game of Thrones I hope Moriarty returns to the show. Holmes needs some proper opponents.

[Aptorian]

I got to mid season 2 I think. But there was a deep groove in one of the DVDs and it wouldn't run. I'll probably find an alternative way of watching those episodes and then get back at it.

[Malankazooie]

So there is this show on right now called Snowfall. It's about the introduction of cocaine and crack into south central LA in the 80s. It's not that good. I watched the first two episodes and dropped it because it was just too boring. But the interesting thing is (and I always get a I kick out of things like this) the actor playing one of the main characters is British. You'd never know it watching the show.

[worry]

Y'all ready for Netflix's next true crime sensation?

[Slow Ben]

No.