[Veilside]

Zanth13;330872 said:

Laseen fighting was pretty cool...

when possum saw the 3 chics fighting I was like, ok 1 is Tays chic, the other is Mallick rells who is the 3rd... and then it hit me as she killed the avowed with bare hands, I was like nfw...wow

So it was Mallicks chick, (the daughter of Vorcan) who killed Lasseen right? the chic was like part demon or some crap...

Yeah, so what the hell is Vorcan doing shagging demons anyway?

[Zanth13]

Veilside;330890 said:

Yeah, so what the hell is Vorcan doing shagging demons anyway?

guess she is a nasty ho... or maybe just doesnt discriminate...

oh and who was the chick sent to Kurald Galain by Topper... I was thinking Apsalar at first... but it didnt fit her character to me... you think its someone we know or some unknown??

[Veilside]

Probably just some unnamed Claw I imagine, I doubt He would have had that easy of a fight against Apsalar.

[ShadowOwl]

She said she was trained by her father and Topper recognized the style. Now the only different style could be the style of talons, so perhaps she is the daughter of someone in the talons who topper would have known. Did Dancer not say he had a daughter he was estranged from? Can't remember exactly which book, but he did say that.

[Zanth13]

ShadowOwl;331186 said:

She said she was trained by her father and Topper recognized the style. Now the only different style could be the style of talons, so perhaps she is the daughter of someone in the talons who topper would have known. Did Dancer not say he had a daughter he was estranged from? Can't remember exactly which book, but he did say that.

I need quotes !AAAAAHHHHHH!!!

cuz I want to say that he said he had a daughter of sorts, which might be in reference to Apsalar, because everything she is today is because of The Rope being inside her (shush your dirty mind)

but i might just be full of myself and have faulty memory...

[Oseric]

i got to go find these books quickly lol

[Imperial Historian]

We all assumed that the quote was referring to apsalar, but we have no definitive proof.

"Panek broke in. 'Uncle, do you have any children?'
He winced, looked away. 'A daughter. Of sorts.' He sighed, then smiled wryly. 'We had a falling-out, I'm afraid.'"

[blackzoid]

Pig Iron;330479 said:

Said it before: it's not munitions, it's Malazan Sappers with munitions. The Malazan army seems to have an organization that encourages creativity and indivdual initiative (this is discussed in one of the books). The sappers are half-crazy and crafty and can work miracles with their totally ruthless use of munitions. The Moranths in the seccesionist army were not able to do anything really with their explosives.

Ok, but what I am sick of is everything turning out ok for those Malazan Sappers. Why don't we see any of these "crazy" sappers get blown up by their own munitions. Why don't we see a novice kid or 2 in Naits squads killed by dropping one? They never had any training. You say that they are anti-mage weapons, where are the anti-munition tactics/weapons? Why didn't we get a pov of a Moranth Sapper for once using the munitions as they were originally conceived of? I am getting sick of everything working out perfectly for each sapper character with everything proceeding exactly as they want! If the munitions are as volatile as they are talked up to be, and the sappers are unarmoured for mobility and "sneakyness", then where the hell are the sapper deaths!

[VampireGoat]

while I have nothing against the use of munitions, infact I rather like it, I do however think there should be a few... mishaps. There were plenty of examples of people either running into fights with munitions falling with munitions as sorcery etc knocks them down. It wouldn't hurt to see a few sappers face the fate the monrath were facing, ie get taken out by one method of another and breaking a few munitions as they fall and going off with a big bang.

Has to be noted that during all that fighting and stuff not one sapper went down with his munitions. Damn lucky durin the couple of points where nait leads his sappers into a charge into the enemy block's side that the only people to die either had no munitions of fell just right to avoid breaking them.

By what I know, its kinda like carrying a bunch of glass balls around(i know its not glass) and they break just as easy. Theres no easy something like that could be carried by multiple people around a battle field without a few accidental breaks.

[Tarcil]

weren't there a few accidents mith munitions in Y'Ghatan....

[Tarcil]

Also it's not like glass, they are clay and the sappers pack them in stuff while carrying, like the moranth used boxes.

the luck of the sappers... might be the influence of the ascendant bridgeburners. (there were sappers in that company besides fid and hedge)

[Tarcil]

srry, just saw you said it wasn't glass...

don't they say somwhere that munitions don't break THAT easily. otherwise they would break all te time during march.

[Nameless One]

Zanth13;330896 said:

oh and who was the chick sent to Kurald Galain by Topper... I was thinking Apsalar at first... but it didnt fit her character to me... you think its someone we know or some unknown??

I haven't read RotCG, but could it possibly be one of Kalam, Minala, and Apt's children?

[Veilside]

Tarcil;332613 said:

Also it's not like glass, they are clay and the sappers pack them in stuff while carrying, like the moranth used boxes.

the luck of the sappers... might be the influence of the ascendant bridgeburners. (there were sappers in that company besides fid and hedge)

Some of them are glass. I think there's more detail about them in Reaper's Gale, but I do definitely recall Fid describing them, and one of them was glass.

[Nakorite]

the big cussers are glass, Fidler's flash back is talking about how they are all perfectly the same size etc.

[Tarcil]

The cussers are definitly not glass.

In the scene with the drum Fid was shaving them and it said something like scraping clay balls untill he saw the glow inside.
If glass--> inside already visible.
btw shaving clay is a lot easier than glass.

[VampireGoat]

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weren't there a few accidents mith munitions in Y'Ghatan....

I understand that, I was refering to RotCG which is pretty much accident free yet features a very long and very huge battle with Nait and his sappers really throwing themselves around. Throughout it all not one sapper got downed with munitions. Someone somewhere was moanin at some point durin Rotcg about all the new recruits just grabbing munitions and the more senior soldiers being scared someone was going to drop one and blew everyone to kindom come.

Sorry if i've caused misunderstanding, I didnt mean to indicate that munitions were made of glass, just that they break easy as if made of glass, I was thinking of a beer bottle at the time.

As Tarcil said they arn't glass since you can't really shave glass. Not to the sort of accuracy required to make 'The Drum' at least. You could hack bits off but thats the best you'll get.

I'm pretty sure they are described as like big clay balls. Now I know the idea of the monrath having the facilities to mass manufactor clay bombs each to the exact same size is somewhat ridiculous, especially when you consider we couldn't mass manufacture identicall gun barrels and bullets until 1860 and needed very specific machinery. This is, however, a series that features a guy with jet black skin, a soul stealing sword and can turn into a dragon at will without marking his clothes and crossbows that out class guns in term of stopping power amongst other things. I think I can let that one go

[buddhacat]

RotCG too does have an accident with munitions. Recall the big crater in Unta, during the CG's assault?

And, the Gold Moranth kills a lot of the Malazans with munitions before they are defeated. And Nait does lose someone (forgot her name, starts with an H).

Anyway, in general, yeah the munitions activity does get a little too pat.

[blackzoid]

A major sapper character has yet to die in the Malazan series overall. Whereas other major characters (Whiskyjack, Trull, etc) do die.
Its getting annoying that a Malazan sapper is always going to be the "scrappy underdog" who somehow wins through. Predictable, which is something that I thought Steve and Ian were trying to avoid in their books.

(Yes I know about the bridegburners in MoI, but by that stage, they were not pov characters)

[Tarcil]

there are not a lot of pov major sapper characters in the series.
nait yes, fid yes and hedge, but he died so he met your criteria. (i think erikson loved the interaction between fid and hedge to much to let him stay dead)

if you think about it there are a lot of assasins, and they to don't die
possum, cutter, kalam(he's just sleeping i believe), apsalar, cotillion, pearl, topper, cowl,...
and just pearl died

so you can say that the assasins also always survive.

exepting the claw, but they are not pov characters.