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Rabid? All we did was address your claims...what's rabid about that? You've got some obvious weaknesses in book knowledge, so I'm just clearing things up...mostly for the benefit of anyone else who might happen to read this.
[quote]as for verins delving not requiring channeling, horseshit shes never shown propensity for this natural alent elsewhere, RJ fucked up and backtracked to cover[/quote]I said that this one is probably an actual error.
[quote] and I maintina the forsaken keep fucking up to protract te series, nothgin to do with underestimation, only a few of the 3rd agers are powerful enough to BE underestimated[/quote]You're totally ignoring the fact that the success at the Cleansing (which was the point you chose to demonstrate the Forsaken's weakness) had to do with a major imbalance in 'angreal possession.
[quote]the horn of valere was locked up because RJ realised it was virtually unstoppable and so had to be shelved, its ridiculous[/quote]It's not ridiculous - it's common practice in writing.
[quote]when learnign suiane and leane are going to be executed should verin not frak out as shes the ONLY person who knwos where the most powerful pro good object is lying? what is she fell and split her skull?[/quote]She had already gone with Alanna to the Two Rivers by that time.
[quote]The horn is never mentioned by the forsaken anymore either, they're conveniently forgottne about this mamoth threat)[/quote]They know it's useless to them unless they can manage to kill whoever blew it.
[quote]And theres to many forced plot developments, and really, in 3000 years of military history, not one, not one single person, though to take the stone of tear via stealth and subterfuge?[/quote]No one tried, probably mainly because taking it by stealth and subterfuge doesn't help when you're trying to keep it, and also because no one wanted it that badly.
[quote]Julian sandar can figure out away in but military minds cannot. Interesting[/quote]Juilin could get in because he was a trusted Tairen thief-catcher. It's not all that unbelievable.
[quote]By the way, while I was discussing this situation with a friend he pointed out another startling fact (I have not confirmed it yet but he says that it is true). When Galina is first brought to Perrin in the prologue she gives her name as Alyse but later while sending his people through the aqueduct into the town Perrin wonders if "Galina" had mentioned the time when Shaido went to sleep. How did Perring know Alyse's true name is Galina? Oops!![/quote]Yup, that's another error, one of the first we found when Knife of Dreams came out. All books have them.
[quote]a big one htat i really like
------That brings me to another problem concerning the Shaido clan itself. I am sure everybody who has read the series must have wondered, at least once, that there is something fishy about the large numbers of the Shaido. I mean how many times have they been comprehensively defeated. Thousands of them have been made Gai'shain and you all must remember the slaughter at Dumai's Wells. Add to this the fact that when Sammael scattered them throughout the land, a lot of them died at the hands of Rand's forces who were proceeding towards illian. After all of this, there were still about a hundred thousand of them in the camp that Perrin attacked and two large parties were going to join them from North and South. Since, that Seanchan general called them large parties so one can safely say that each party was around ten thousand strong. Seems strange. I do not have the hard facts with me. I wanted to dig them out but decided against it as I do not have the time or the energy to go track the Shaido numbers through all the 11 books. But next time when I read the series again I will keep a close eye on the Shaido numbers, as I am definitely sure that there is something not right there.[/quote]What's "not right" is that every clan other than the Shaido left numbers behind to defend their holds - the Shaido took everyone, including the children and the goats. A lot of times the Shaido's numbers will include the non-spearfighters, and sometimes their numbers also include the Mera'din. By the time the Battle of Cairhien had rolled around, every clan had lost numbers to the Bleakness, and I'd guess close to half of what Rand's seven clans lost went to the Shaido. The Shaido get bigger, and every other clan gets smaller. The Shaido were a bigger clan to begin with, but not so big as you make out. Your number of 115,000 joining the Shaido from the other clans is probably a bit too high - I'd guess the Shaido probably had about 60,000 spears to begin with. It's not hard for me to believe because it's emphasized over and over again how important it would be to common Aiel pride to believe that Rand had lied about what he saw at Rhuidean.
[quote]L instead of returning to the waste and assuming a life without violence some of them went and joined the Shaido! This does not make any sense as the only reason for them deserting Rand was that they were violating ji'e'toh by being with him[/quote]No, the reason they deserted Rand was that they couldn't accept a wetlander as the Car'a'carn, which has little to do with ji'e'toh.
[quote]Anyway, moving on. Initially we were told that all the Maidens of the Spear were with Rand, even those belonging to the Shaido, as the society came before the clan and Far Dareis Mai carried Rand's honor.[/quote]I'm pretty sure it was never stated that all the Shaido Maidens were with Rand.
[quote]Had Jordan known from the beginning that he was going to be writing a 12 book series, he would never have let the Horn or Callandor be found this early and had he written everything down before publishing it, his work would not have been suffering from all these inconsistencies.[/quote]Every major work suffers from some inconsistencies. I fail to understand why you make such a big deal out of those in WoT.
[quote]Being Tower trained is against the law, Pedron Niall said it and whether one can channel or not is not a requirement. Being trained in the tower is all it takes. Look up FoH(I think) when Morgage first speaks to Niall - politics aside, Niall is breaking the law twice over, and arent the whitecloaks all for tha law?[/quote]Niall was the Lord Captain Commander. He made what he felt was a savvy choice, and Asunawa plotted to have him killed for that very reason.
[quote]About Mat. What I was trying to point out was that throughout the series Mat is never attacked by shadowspawn when he is alone.[/quote]Yes he is...the Gray Man attacked him, in Tar Valon, when he was alone.
[quote]The incident that I mentioned when some Aiel came through the gateway to attack Mat, I did not mean that Sammael or who ever ordered that should have sent trollocs instead, which of course we know after reading book 11 is not possible.[/quote]Those Aiel were most likely sent to search for the seals, rather than to kill Mat.
[quote](which by the way is sort of lame in my opinion and is clearly an after thought from Jordan, probably in response to the rising criticism why the bad guys not send trollocs through gateways to surprise Rand and Co. Had it been so from the beginning I am sure Jordan would have told us this fact quite early.)[/quote]How could he have told us earlier, when no one even knew how to make a gateway yet?
[quote]Anyway, let me get back to the main thing. What I was trying to say is that instead of sending Aiel, the Forsaken could easily have sent a grayman, not through a gateway but through normal means. Since Mat is an ordinary human being, he would not have been able to either sense or see a grayman and the grayman could have easily put a knife in his heart.[/quote]Did you not read my post at all?
[quote]This would be the most logical thing to do. But for some unknown reason whenever Mat is attacked it is always by darkfreinds that he can handle, or fades and trollocs that he can fight. Another attempt on the life of Mat was also done by a darkfriend maiden. Instead of choosing a time during which she was sitting on top of Mat massaging his back she chose a time when Mat was not only alert and but also armed.[/quote]She chose that time because she was waiting for Mat to reveal what Rand was planning. AS SOON as Mat revealed that bit of info, she tried to kill him.
[quote]Remember in book 3, when six graymen came to kill Perrin, he was able to sense them long before they actually reached him.[/quote]You really didn't read my post did you? lol...
[quote]Also, in Rhuiden, had Rand not been there Mat would have certainly died at the hands of the darkhound. But later when Rand was nowhere near to protect him, Mat is never attacked by these shadowspawn. This looks childish story telling to me.[/quote]First of all, Mat is attacked when he's alone, both by a Gray Man and by the gholam. Second, why childish storytelling? Every author does the same sorts of things.
[quote]And the Forsaken do not know about Mat's foxhead medallion.[/quote]Aran'gar does, at least.
[quote]Anyway, it only protects Mat against channeling done by female Aes Sedai and has no other properties.[/quote]It protects against both saidin and saidar, and it also allows Mat to sense channeling near him, and it wards his dreams.
[quote]Interesting thing is that Mat does not even know that the medallion does not protect him against male Forsaken as he always thought, in Rand's presence, that the medallion would protect him if Rand went crazy on him. In case you have forgotten, Mat died when Rahvin's lightning struck him in book 5.[/quote]This was an indirect effect of the channeling, like when Adeleas used the Power to throw manure at Mat in book 7.
[quote]If you remember, Perrin and Egwene were marked out for being darkfriends because they knew a warder. Anything to do with the tower is anathema to whitecloaks. You go to the tower for advice or to be healed and you are a darkfriend. Go there to learn from an aes sedai or a warder. It doesn't matter, associate with anything tower, capital T or not and they accuse you of being a darkfriend.[/quote]It is also clear that a smart Whitecloak would take advantage of a queen of one of the most powerful nations in Randland come begging for help. What's so hard to understand about that?
[quote]They are rabid fundementalists[/quote]Some are moreso than others. Asunawa is extremely rabid...Niall is one of the great captains, which requires more of a clear mind.
[quote]That a zealot like Valda(who recruited Galad) would approach someone currently in the tower, much less currently recieving training from the evil warders strains credulity. That he would recruit him and make him an officer break all bounds of credibility[/quote]Why? Valda is obsessed with power, and he likely saw something he could take advantage of when he recruited Galad.
[quote]You mention that all these super weapons in the wheel of time have costs involved with them.[/quote]What?
[quote]While mentioning the costs involved with these super-weapons you also gave the example of Callandor.[/quote]That was the only example, so far as I remember.
[quote]But you see Rand did not leave the sword because he could not handle the costs involved with it.[/quote]He left it because he didn't trust himself with that much power. He felt out of control when he used it, and in many ways, he was.
[quote]I like the story a lot.[/quote]I think you would like it a lot more if you didn't try so hard to find errors where there are none, and if you didn't obsess so much over the ones that you do find - you don't appear to obsess over Erikson's errors.
[quote]Like Moi pointed out, who tried to get Domon to travel to Tear which made him to travel in the opposite direction and thus reach Tanchico in time to help Nynaeve and Elayne?[/quote]That was apparently Graendal, trying to get Domon's seal.
[quote]A big part of the rebutals to raza were semantics and word games, which is ok for the aes sedai but it amounted to fanboys desperately trying to justify that jordan doesnt make mistakes.[/quote]I doubt anyone here will say that Jordan doesn't make mistakes...just that he makes relatively very few for the size and complexity of his series.
