[Ulrik]

I think that this comparisons are pointless unless "fight participants" already clashed. Who would bet on Whiskeyjack against "so-good-Kallor"? If not leg, he could killed him (and yes, anyone could say - if not the spearhead...) - and thats the point... frakin leg, frakin spearhead, frakin state of mind of one fighter... well, these fighters fight according one Golden Rule = story requirements:)

oh, we can assume in fight RG spoiler:

Spoiler

"we know who in RG" vs Brys bcause both faced Rhulad, but again, one can say "Brys dont stand a chance" and other "due his martial intelligence he would choose other style and cut him to pieces" etc etc etc...

And for Trulls skill, it depends what ve see in "stand fast", spear is great defensive weapon, I think he is able to stand against best swordsmans of Wu in defese but coming to attack, thats whole different story...who knows?

This post has been edited by Silencer: 13 September 2009 - 06:26 AM
Reason for edit: Added spoiler tags - this is the MT forum

[maro]

Whiskeyjack, on 06 March 2008 - 03:08 PM, said:

In a duel, Rhulad would win simply because he is faster and stronger, and spears are hardly optimal for duels.

Actually that's not true. I actually train in a sword based Martial art and it's well known that in a Spear Vs Sword fight, the spearman has the advantage. Swords are great (hence why I study them!) but they don't have the advantage over Spear.

[Tarcanus]

maro, on 08 December 2009 - 05:40 AM, said:

Whiskeyjack, on 06 March 2008 - 03:08 PM, said:

In a duel, Rhulad would win simply because he is faster and stronger, and spears are hardly optimal for duels.

Actually that's not true. I actually train in a sword based Martial art and it's well known that in a Spear Vs Sword fight, the spearman has the advantage. Swords are great (hence why I study them!) but they don't have the advantage over Spear.

This is true. If I've learned anything from Fire Emblem games: spear beats sword, sword beats axe, and axe beats spear.

[maro]

Tarcanus, on 08 December 2009 - 04:01 PM, said:

maro, on 08 December 2009 - 05:40 AM, said:

Whiskeyjack, on 06 March 2008 - 03:08 PM, said:

In a duel, Rhulad would win simply because he is faster and stronger, and spears are hardly optimal for duels.

Actually that's not true. I actually train in a sword based Martial art and it's well known that in a Spear Vs Sword fight, the spearman has the advantage. Swords are great (hence why I study them!) but they don't have the advantage over Spear.

This is true. If I've learned anything from Fire Emblem games: spear beats sword, sword beats axe, and axe beats spear.

That's me in my avatar - I train in Japanese Sword. Sojutsu (Spear) is a Highly developed art. I've sparred a few times against spears and even a novice can hold his own. It takes big balls to try and get inside someone's guard.

Fantasy authors kind of get hung up on swords (Don't get me wrong, I love them myself) as the ultimate weapon. They aren't. It's nice to see more talk of Maces, Axes etc which are real armoured combat weapons. Crossbows as well.

It seems that Steven knows a bit about sword work as his description of stop blocks are the most accurate I've read.

This post has been edited by maro: 09 December 2009 - 12:23 AM

[D'rek]

maro, on 09 December 2009 - 12:21 AM, said:

Tarcanus, on 08 December 2009 - 04:01 PM, said:

maro, on 08 December 2009 - 05:40 AM, said:

Whiskeyjack, on 06 March 2008 - 03:08 PM, said:

In a duel, Rhulad would win simply because he is faster and stronger, and spears are hardly optimal for duels.

Actually that's not true. I actually train in a sword based Martial art and it's well known that in a Spear Vs Sword fight, the spearman has the advantage. Swords are great (hence why I study them!) but they don't have the advantage over Spear.

This is true. If I've learned anything from Fire Emblem games: spear beats sword, sword beats axe, and axe beats spear.

That's me in my avatar - I train in Japanese Sword. Sojutsu (Spear) is a Highly developed art. I've sparred a few times against spears and even a novice can hold his own. It takes big balls to try and get inside someone's guard.

Beyond that even, there's of course different kinds of swords and spears, right? A chinese broadsword will have a hell of a time getting into a spearman's guard since the spearman can just keep stepping away and the dao can't do much but parry. One of those huge meter-and-a-half miao-dao's or giant katanas would have a much better change against the spear, though, since they can put a lot more force into parrying it (or just breaking the haft) and have enough reach that they dont have to get in so close.

Of course that then leads into differnet lengths and kinds of spears too...

All in all, it's complicated

maro, on 09 December 2009 - 12:21 AM, said:

Fantasy authors kind of get hung up on swords (Don't get me wrong, I love them myself) as the ultimate weapon. They aren't. It's nice to see more talk of Maces, Axes etc which are real armoured combat weapons. Crossbows as well.

It seems that Steven knows a bit about sword work as his description of stop blocks are the most accurate I've read.

Totally agree with this, it is very nice to have characters who don't use swords, though I wish we'd get more descriptions of the malaz regular infantry doing their thing, with advancing shield walls + spears.

[Hetan]

maro, on 09 December 2009 - 12:21 AM, said:

It seems that Steven knows a bit about sword work as his description of stop blocks are the most accurate I've read.

It's one of his favourite participant sports apparently

[maro]

Hetan, on 09 December 2009 - 11:20 PM, said:

maro, on 09 December 2009 - 12:21 AM, said:

It seems that Steven knows a bit about sword work as his description of stop blocks are the most accurate I've read.

It's one of his favourite participant sports apparently

Interesting - are there any interviews where he mentions that?

[Vaddon Ra]

Nequam, on 06 March 2008 - 03:20 PM, said:

QUOTE Taking away Rhulad's sword, he is basically just an unblooded. Any kind of fighting style or experience would be based on his borrowed strength and speed.

In a duel, Rhulad would win simply because he is faster and stronger, and spears are hardly optimal for duels

That is true as far as normal spear-weilders go, but Trull is an exception. After every book he is in (but this is the MT forum, so you probably haven't seen him yet in the other books) I would say he is one of the highest skilled melee comabtants in the series.

However, I still Ruhladb think would win, because you have to factor in trull's love for his brother, and he is able to come back from the dead.

Yeah, not spoiling anything if you've not read past MT but Trull IS a monster with a spear... and not too shabby with a sword either. It's Fear who concluded he would eventually lose to Brys at the end, Trull was just... well shocked, but I feel that Trull as a character is ultimately very very humble and may potentially not see himself as skilled as he actually is, if that makes sense... If you've read his moments in TBH and RG you'll know that he shocks a fair few high profile peeps

Plus Rhulad would get pwnd I kinda like Rhulad and feel for him, but despite him being a beast... He'd still get stomped

[James Hutton]

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