[Lisheo]

Maybe. Maybe the Fall shattered the Moons, thus shattering their warrens, opening rifts to Chaos or wherever theyre from?

[aginor]

New to the forum but had to post a theory somewhat related to the moon speculations and the KCCM. Karsa takes out one of the short tails in the BH book I'm currently re-reading. When Samar Dev does her autopsy she sees "mechanisms" similar to centipedes but with fins instead of legs inside the creature.
I get this feeling that we are being teased with glimpses of technology from a space faring alien race from the moon ( KCCM-long and short tails ) whose "magic" is nothing more than specialized audio/high frequency weapons.

[Greymane]

There might be something to Apsalar's musings and the Edur mythology. It's not the literal truth obviously, but myths are often a way of explaining certain metaphors and philosophies.

Metaphorically, night is the realm of darkness. But the moon brings light into this realm. The moon blows apart at the same time (roughly) as Rake's death. Rake's death led to the return of Mother Dark and the repair of Kurald Galain. The return of Mother Dark corresponds with the dissapearance of the moon - the realm of dark has been returned to it's natural state, unsullied by Light.

[Illuyankas]

@aginor: I personally think that the KCCM control gravity, rather than sound - looking at the skykeeps, for instance. And that the KCCM are described repeatedly as having all sorcerous ability of each of them focused on their Matron, making her ridiculously powerful. But the KCNR being very technological over magical could work.

[Flawed]

The moons are moving further away because that's where all the K Chain Chemaile ( sp ) went. They then rigged up massive sorcery aspected machines to the project the moons out into the universe in search for better homes and knowledge and such.

Or so i heard

edit : Illy , Aginor

[blackzoid]

Surprised there's no mention of the fact that the moon has exploded and what that means for the KCCM.

[Raraku]

Since TTH is out now for sometime can we discuss what happens to the moon in it?
Should we spoilerize it?

[HoosierDaddy]

Raraku;350000 said:

Since TTH is out now for sometime can we discuss what happens to the moon in it?
Should we spoilerize it?

http://www.malazanem...ead.php?t=10896

You can talk about it in the TTH thread, but if you make a thread be sure the title doesn't ruin anything. Spoilers are a go here.

[Crimson Guardian]

Maybe the 'Brother of Light' trapped in the moon was Liosserc from RoftCG. He was being pursued by Draconus and conducting some experiments that Rake wanted him to stop in the far flung past.

[Leanoric]

OK, a couple of things. The legend that Apsalar tells about Grallin living on the moon is a legend. I asked SE about it at a book signing and he didn't even remember who Grallin was. When I told him, he said that that sounded like just a legend to him. He seemed surprised when I mentioned that people here had all sorts of Gralliun theories.

Secondly, a wondering. If someone (Brother Light?) is indeed trapped in the moon, is he now freed since the moon has blown up?

Finally, I wish I could find the quote but I can't right now. And it's light. But when the moon blows up, someone (Samar Dev?) comments on how there is a second, smaller moon as well.

[kalmavet7]

Leanoric;357230 said:

OK, a couple of things. The legend that Apsalar tells about Grallin living on the moon is a legend. I asked SE about it at a book signing and he didn't even remember who Grallin was. When I told him, he said that that sounded like just a legend to him. He seemed surprised when I mentioned that people here had all sorts of Gralliun theories.

Secondly, a wondering. If someone (Brother Light?) is indeed trapped in the moon, is he now freed since the moon has blown up?

Finally, I wish I could find the quote but I can't right now. And it's light. But when the moon blows up, someone (Samar Dev?) comments on how there is a second, smaller moon as well.

for what it's worth i got the impression that the moon blowing up was freeing someone as well...FL? Osserc?

Iirc, there was something about the now shattered moon blocking another moon. i wonder if this will effect Ardapa (sic? spelling?) and/or Magora's powers

[HoosierDaddy]

Leanoric;357230 said:

OK, a couple of things. The legend that Apsalar tells about Grallin living on the moon is a legend. I asked SE about it at a book signing and he didn't even remember who Grallin was. When I told him, he said that that sounded like just a legend to him. He seemed surprised when I mentioned that people here had all sorts of Gralliun theories.

Secondly, a wondering. If someone (Brother Light?) is indeed trapped in the moon, is he now freed since the moon has blown up?

Finally, I wish I could find the quote but I can't right now. And it's light. But when the moon blows up, someone (Samar Dev?) comments on how there is a second, smaller moon as well.

Both Semar Dev (in TBH) and Kuru Qan (MT) state that there are more than one moon, but the others are hard to see due to the big one that's just got blown ups.

I don't know what the Moon's destruction will have. Those that theorized that the moon was another realm will obviously believe that a realm has been destroyed.

It should have a physical effect on Wu due to tides (maybe Midnight maybe not ) and what not.

All we know is that it was other Jade Statues that Heboric saved Wu from in TBH caused the destruction of the moon.

[Arkmam]

kalmavet7;357283 said:

for what it's worth i got the impression that the moon blowing up was freeing someone as well...FL? Osserc?

Maybe Father Light, but didn't we see Osserc in House of Chains? Flying around with L'oric.

[Aptorian]

Osserc in HoC was in a memory fragment of the elder times that was dying. Could it had been the memory-Osserc and not the present day Osserc that saved L'oric from death?

meh.

[Tapper]

@ Apt: very interesting thought there. It would shed a new light (no pun intended) on the powers of the First Liosan (the 'Osserc/Brother of Light/ Father Light/ Bastard of Light' generation): if Light somehow included travelling faster than light, Osserc would after all be able to view images of the past (not exactly time travel, but close)... is this the explanation for a 'memory fragment' and why Osserc can enter it, but we never saw something like it before or after that scene? It seems after all very different from what the Eres does.

I don't know enough about Einstein and other scientific theory on faster-than-light-effects/ observation of the past to make a reasonable comment on this, but I would say this is one nifty option. However, since he is a participating person in that memory world (inhabiting a tower, flying around), wouldn't that exclude the wacky thought above?

[Leanoric]

Well, believe it or not I have a degree in Astrophysics, and your questions on light are intriguing.

According to (our understanding of) physics nothing can go faster than light. To accelerate anything with mass up to the speed of light would take an infinite amount of energy.

However, ignoring those two facts, if someone *could* travel at the speed of light then very interesting things happen. Time stops. Length contracts. In a way, everywhere is here and every time is now. Of course, that's all essentially meaningless in our understanding of physics, as only massless wave/particles like photons can actually reach the speed of light. This is how a particle can also be a wave - it is a probability wave which theoretically expands into infinity, with the probability being that the particle is somewhere near its 'actual' location (whatever that means) but at any given instant there is a chance that it is somewhere else, with this probability diminishing the farther away you go. Indeed there is a theory (admittedly wacky, but illustrates the point a little) that there is only actually one photon in existence, but as it is travelling at the speed of light it can be everywhere at once - and since time for the particle has stopped, then an infinitely large time makes even the teeniest possibility that the particle is at any given point in the universe an almost certainty. Mind bending, slightly wacky and improbably true, but, well... that's relativity for you.

Now, assuming one such as Osserc could travel faster than light, well our understanding of physics would break down (unless he became a big massless wave/particle). But assuming he could skip through a warren and arrive somewhere far distant in a shorter time than it would take light to travel there (incidentally, this is rather like a Warp Drive from Star Trek), then he could theoretically look back and see himself before he moved. If he went far enough away and had a big enough telescope, he could look back and watch the Elder Days as they happened. However, this would necessitate being a loooooooong way away, and hence he would find it difficult to be in a tower there, or flying around. The argument that he could then travel *back* to Malazland faster than light and hence arrive before the light he was watching actually left, well.... that's one of them there paradoxes that are the reason faster than light travel is theoretically impossible. Because, you see, our notions of time are strangely interconnected with light. You would need to divorce the two ideas, and have lightless time (Mother Dark?) and have time as a frame of reference which is absolute, not relative. At which point relativity goes out the window.

That was a long winded way of saying: it's not science. It's magic.*

Probably.

* Leanoric reserves the right to admit that our understanding of science currently is probably at least 90% incorrect, so take all above theories with a pinch of salt anyway

[kalmavet7]

Aptorian;357415 said:

Osserc in HoC was in a memory fragment of the elder times that was dying. Could it had been the memory-Osserc and not the present day Osserc that saved L'oric from death?

meh.

right, so we basically don't know if he appeared in the flesh in 'modern' times. that'll be a good thing to look for in a re-read

@Leornic--my poor little brain can't keep up w/ all of that, but i gather if he could do that, he'd be the most powerful character in Wu. either way, i shall now change your life by giving you one rep for the interesting explanation!

[ritchiediaz]

Seeing as this is a thread about the moon, I thought I'd mention this wee line in TTH regarding Kallor:-

Quote

The moon's light took hold of his shadow and made a mess of it. Kallor walked on, oblivious of such details.

Now I don't seriously think there is anything to be read between the lines here(e.g. foreshadowing), but I thought it was an interesting line nonetheless - moon & shadow.

[Aptorian]

Actually I could see a connection between the shadow being "broken" and Kallors connection with the House of Chains and the CG.

[Leanoric]

ritchiediaz;360162 said:

Seeing as this is a thread about the moon, I thought I'd mention this wee line in TTH regarding Kallor:-

The moon's light took hold of his shadow and made a mess of it. Kallor walked on, oblivious of such details.

Now I don't seriously think there is anything to be read between the lines here(e.g. foreshadowing), but I thought it was an interesting line nonetheless - moon & shadow.

Wasn't that just because the moon was blowing up, and hence the light coming from the moon was much more random - no longer in a nice, neat circle, and so messed up his shadow. Kallor, being so full of himself, didn't even notice the moon blowing up. More of a comment on Kallor's view of the world around him (ie. not important unless it directly pertains to him) than any type of hidden foreshadowing, I think?

Assuming, of course, that this is about the right time for this. I can't remember where in the book that quite is from, but I think it was quite near the end, when the moon is having certain difficulties, shall we say.