[Ain't_It_Just_]

Xander;269064 said:

Perhaps we'll get some answers in the upcoming books.

I'm also curious if the moon is a home warren to one of the races we know of.

@Tiger Sword, yeah there's been a lot of speculation and hints that the KCCM magic is related to gravity and sound I think.

It is. Kaschan, loosens the bindings that hold matter together. Seems to fit, the KCCM being reptillian.

[Optimus Prime]

So the Elder Race we know nothing of their magic is the FA....

I wonder if those skykeeps can escape the world's gravity?

[Candybars]

Abyss;268935 said:

Nope - something maybe Greek or Native American... recall fails me, but i mean an actual, real world myth story.

Oh man, I hate my failing memory. But, I believe that your reference is greek.

Any ways, for fun here is snippet of a song by Tom Waits...

Tom Waits"Fish and Bird" said:

He said "you cannot live in the ocean"
And she said to him "you never can live in the sky"
But the ocean is filled with tears
And the sea turns into a mirror
There’s a whale in the moon when its clear
And a bird on the tide

It is off the album Alice.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

Xander;269380 said:

So the Elder Race we know nothing of their magic is the FA....

I wonder if those skykeeps can escape the world's gravity?

I bet they can. Once in GotM, Rake was talking about the Tiste Andii dwindling and decaying on this world. He asked Baruk, "Shall I raise Moon's Spawn into the heavens?" Maybe it just means the atmosphere, but it could mean escaping the gravity.

[Abyss]

Moreover, we don't actually know if the 'normal' rules of atmosphere apply, ie: the moon could be an airy happy place except for the whole full of uber-lizards and shattered by Jade chunks part.

- Abyss, still thinks it would have been funny if Rake had mooned Tayshrenn at the start of GotM...

[Optimus Prime]

Right. Well it's entirely possible the moon of Burn is inhabitable.

Perhaps the smashing of Jade into the moon repeatedly helped bring a stable atmosphere?

I forgot about that Rake quote...i wonder how high he could've raised Moon's Spawn.

[Abyss]

Xander;269710 said:

...Perhaps the smashing of Jade into the moon repeatedly helped bring a stable atmosphere?...

Or the opposite of that, given the (entirely speculative) KN exodus.

That said, Paran did comment in TB that he should have investigated the moon in a way that suggests he knew he could do it.

- Abyss, sees the moon and the moon sees me...

[Optimus Prime]

Perhaps we'll visit it in this book or the next two...it could be one of the places foreign to Burn that action takes place on....

- Xander, sees the moon and see Abyss

[Venerus]

I didn't quite know where to put this, but it just occurred to me: Apsalar in Dragnipur "stole fire once", and the Eres'al that the Nerek worhsip is said to have stolen fire. I realize stealing fire is a pretty common theme in origin myths, but still... got me thinking. Wonder if there are Eres up on the moon, and "stole" means like "took the land" rather than the physical object.




Hmm, reading around in MT, it seems like when Anomander arrived to ruin Scabandari's fun, the Nerek fled Moon's Spawn... wonder wonder... Looking at the Bantam paperback, 275 range.

[Kalahinen]

Abyss;268935 said:

Nope - something maybe Greek or Native American... recall fails me, but i mean an actual, real world myth story.

This myth about stealing the moon is very usual in world mythologies. In Indian mythology there is the demon Rahu that swallows the moon. In Finnish mythology there is a similar creature, the god Rahkoi (or Rahko) who hates the moonlight and sometimes climbs his ladders to the moon and paints it black with tar. Mikael Agricola, the bishop of Finland wrote in the 16th century that '...Rahkoi kuun mustax taikoi...' = '...Rahkoi cursed the moon black...' These myths probably have the same origin.

There are also certain kave -spirits in Finnish mythology that are attributed to the waxing and waning of the moon.

[Aptorian]

And then there's the wolf Fenris who's destined to eat the sun on the verge of ragnarok... not really related but coolest frigging wolf ever!

[Lisheo]

Im curious about the other two moons Samar Dev mentions, I believe she says something about something perhaps colliding with them, Jade Statues anyone?
I also put forwar the theory that each of the moons was the original Tiste Warrens... KE is smashed to pieces: Moon gone, KG: situations unclear but it doesnt seem fit for habitation, does it...
Kurald Thyrllan (Liosan?): Still the home of the Liosan, would fit with the light still shining, and the imprisonment of Brother Light. There seems to be a number of Champions(not in the deck sense) for each warren: The Brothers Dark for KG, Scabandari, Edgy and Im assuming the original Edur Royals, so who's to say there isnt some Liosan King "Brother Light", Osric's lesser known brother, in the style of Andarist.

Lisheo- nothing like a good moon!

And yes, I am horribly immature lmao.

[Sinisdar Toste]

maybe i missed something, but when does Samar Dev mention two other moons? im sure she does at some point but what words does she use?

[Aptorian]

Lisheo;270164 said:

Im curious about the other two moons Samar Dev mentions, I believe she says something about something perhaps colliding with them, Jade Statues anyone?
I also put forwar the theory that each of the moons was the original Tiste Warrens... KE is smashed to pieces: Moon gone, KG: situations unclear but it doesnt seem fit for habitation, does it...
Kurald Thyrllan (Liosan?): Still the home of the Liosan, would fit with the light still shining, and the imprisonment of Brother Light. There seems to be a number of Champions(not in the deck sense) for each warren: The Brothers Dark for KG, Scabandari, Edgy and Im assuming the original Edur Royals, so who's to say there isnt some Liosan King "Brother Light", Osric's lesser known brother, in the style of Andarist.

Lisheo- nothing like a good moon!

And yes, I am horribly immature lmao.

All this brother light, father dark and all... it's just edur mythology.

I like your theory though. It's fiendishly clever... too bad Erikson wont read this

[D'rek]

This took a while to find, as it's not anywhere around when the moon seems to get closer from Mogora's ritual (around page 500 in trade paperback), but instead is 200 pages later. go figure

Bonehunters, on Chap. 14, said:

Karsa: "Tell me, witch, what is happening to the moon?"
Samar: "I don't know. It seems to be breaking up. Crumbling. There is no record of anything like that happening before, neither the way it has grown larger, nor the strange corona surrounding it. If it is an omen, it is one all the world can see."
K: "The desert folk believe gods dwell there. Perhaps they wage war among themselves."
S: "Superstitious nonsense. The moon is this world's child, the last child, for there were others, once. It may be that two have collided, but it is difficult to be sure - the others were never very visible, even in the best of times. Dark, sumdged, distant, always in the shadow cast by this world, or that of the largest moon - the one we see most clearly. Of late, there has been much dust in the air."

Now keep in mind the moon is influenced in this book by both Mogora's ritual AND the jade statues.

[Mentalist]

Kalahinen;270058 said:

This myth about stealing the moon is very usual in world mythologies. In Indian mythology there is the demon Rahu that swallows the moon. In Finnish mythology there is a similar creature, the god Rahkoi (or Rahko) who hates the moonlight and sometimes climbs his ladders to the moon and paints it black with tar. Mikael Agricola, the bishop of Finland wrote in the 16th century that '...Rahkoi kuun mustax taikoi...' = '...Rahkoi cursed the moon black...' These myths probably have the same origin.

There are also certain kave -spirits in Finnish mythology that are attributed to the waxing and waning of the moon.

in his slavic-Folklore influenced "Dikanka Cycle", Gogol has a devil steal the moon...

[Venerus]

MT paperback 378, The Ceda:

"There are actually at least four moons, lad, but the others are not only distant, but perpetually occluded from reflecting the sun's light. Very difficult to see, although early texts suggest that this was not always so. Reasons for their fading as yet unknown, although I suspect our world's own bulk has something to do with it. Then again, it may be that they are not farther away at all, but indeed closer, only very small. Relatively speaking"

To me, that reads a little bit like: 1. Moons are "vanishing" as if someone took them 2. Said "vanishing" attends bringing them closer to Burn's World. I'm thinking, this might be one way of interpreting Apsalar's claim to have stolen a moon.


...and I still maintain it's possible that she's tied in with the Eres of the Nerek. Daughter of the daughter... Imass following the Eres?

[edit] Yay found it! In MT, when they discuss Kettle's soul/body prep, it's said Apsalara stole fire from the Eres and gave it to the Nerek. Nerek goddess ftw!

[Khellendros]

Actually, it's the wolf Skoll, brother/son to Fenris (depending on what you read) who eternally chases the Sun but will at Ragnarok finally devour it. Just as Hati, his twin, will devour the Moon. Though Fenris does eat the king of the gods Odin himself, which is pretty cool in itself.

[Lisheo]

Nice catch Venerus... Grr throws my moons theory out the window lol.
I wonder if the moons have anything to do with the CG's Chainings. Random, I know, but we know there's been at least three Chainings, and three moons have disappeared...

[Abyss]

It also appears Jade Chunks have been falling since the CG was first ripped down to the world, so it's possible the orbits or wholeness of the other moons have been affected by impacts. Plus, as noted above, magic does draw on the moon(s?) as well, so who knows what effect that might have.

- Abyss, being followed by a moon, shadow, moon shadow, moon shadow.....