[Mentalist]

Well, in all honesty, Tay did have that paranoid speech in GotM about "Anyone who was there with the Emperor will always be trying to undermine the Empress, albeit even subconsiously". And this paranoia is ref'ed again in MoI, so it's not just a GotMism...

But really, we are getting into RotCG territory here...

[Shurque's biatch]

Jason;271614 said:

... I gotta say the two points directly above are right on the money. The third guy at the fire IS the bard who sang earlier.

Secondly, the "our kind" comment suggests that all three of them are gods.

I think that the "our kind" comment is more about darujistan and not gods or bards or blokes sitting around a fire.

I still think it is in Kruppe's dream.

I think the third dude is someone else that had been watching and not the bard.

[Khellendros]

I have to say, I REALLY like the idea of the third guy around Kruppe's fire being Fisher kel Tath. I know it's not likely, but that would be awesome

[Sinisdar Toste]

that would fit in with the whole "prologue is after the book" theory. iirc most of fishers work comes from later in the history of malaz. although i could just be makin that up. i do have rye.

[VampireGoat]

The prolouge being 'after the story' theory is absurd

only small parts work with that theory. Kruppe asking has anyone ever seen him 'dance'. The word dance seems to have been twisted into telling a story by a slight remark made by k'rul but its still a long shot.

The only other reason for the 'after rest of story' idea is it allows karsa's younglins to have aged a bit. Regardless though unless the story spans over several years they arn't getting much older.

How can people honestly think that the meetings between ST edgewalker and our 'hooded' character is set AFTER the main story or that all the stuff with dragnipur. All this build up with stuff happening inside the sword only to say the main events have already been and gone?

If however you want to take the angle that some of the prolouge is in the present and the last part is set after the rest, well that to makes little sense since the story has already begun without its supposed teller.

Oh and as for all 3 at the fire being "gods" I can't think of any quotes but im pretty sure it was made clear that K'rul at first could only manifest in a 'mortals' dream in Gotm that mortal being Kruppe. I know gotm is renowned for being inaccurate, but thats not an excuse to disregard everything written when it suits people to help them build some wierd arse theory. Kruppe suddenly becoming a god without anyone noticing makes as much sense as quick having an elder god up his sleave.

[cerveza_fiesta]

the dragnipur stuff is going to pwn. That sword is one of the most interesting, original and captivating parts of the whole series for me. I still think it uses the whole entropy idea, where you need to keep feeding something energy to keep it in an ordered state, otherwise it dissolves into chaos.

I also figured that the window to dark underneath the dead-cart will be chaos's permanent link to the warrens and holds once it catches the cart. It will then start invading and dissolving the warren structure and initiate the "end of all things"

What I can't figure is how the KCCM would figure into that, since they're supposed to have caused the inevitable destruction of everything...hmm

[ch'arlz]

VampireGoat;272301 said:

I can't think of any quotes but im pretty sure it was made clear that K'rul at first could only manifest in a 'mortals' dream in Gotm that mortal being Kruppe.

not sure what you mean by 'at first' but K'rul manifested in GotM and MoI due to spilled blood.

[Khellendros]

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The prolouge being 'after the story' theory is absurd

only small parts work with that theory. Kruppe asking has anyone ever seen him 'dance'. The word dance seems to have been twisted into telling a story by a slight remark made by k'rul but its still a long shot.

The only other reason for the 'after rest of story' idea is it allows karsa's younglins to have aged a bit. Regardless though unless the story spans over several years they arn't getting much older.

How can people honestly think that the meetings between ST edgewalker and our 'hooded' character is set AFTER the main story or that all the stuff with dragnipur. All this build up with stuff happening inside the sword only to say the main events have already been and gone?

If however you want to take the angle that some of the prolouge is in the present and the last part is set after the rest, well that to makes little sense since the story has already begun without its supposed teller.

I think people do mean (I certainly do) that only the last part of the prologue (i.e. Kruppe and co.) might take place after the events of Toll the Hounds. It's not too far-fetched really, certainly after Kruppe's premonitory 'Witness' at the end - it does sound somewhat like he's alluding to things that have already happened - especially involving Karsa's character.

I'm not sure what you mean though by the story already having begun with it's supposed teller - if it is taking place after the main story of TtH, there's every reason to think that Kruppe would play a large part in his own narrative.

[Abyss]

VampireGoat;272301 said:

...but im pretty sure it was made clear that K'rul at first could only manifest in a 'mortals' dream in Gotm that mortal being Kruppe....

I'm afraid that Keruli guy running around for most of MoI sinks your theory. Kallor acknowledged him as a manifestation of Krul, and he appeared in whole scenes while Kruppe was at the other side of the continent. While Stonny eventually swore to him, he was already running around recruiting guards and driving wagons before that happened.

- Abyss, always wondered if K'rul was a tribute to Krull...

[greenteam]

bit off topic but was just wondering if the malazan empire will have any role with the events in toll the hounds....two main armies have gone renegade plus genesbackis(spelling bit off) is mostly malazan....
oh will we see anymore of the moranth :confused:

[ch'arlz]

Abyss;272433 said:

- Abyss, always wondered if K'rul was a tribute to Krull...

given that SE apparently wrote in a coffee shop, the tribute was probably to a particularly tasty kruller.

[Aptorian]

When you say two main armies have gone renegade, I'm not sure what you mean, in connection with Genebakis. The northern part except for Darujistan are under the empires control and perhaps with the exception of elements in Mott wood and companies of crimson guard, the empire is no longer contested.

There's probably not that many soldiers left, except for the ones stationed in the major cities to keep the Malazan peace.

[greenteam]

wat i ment was any sort of empire influence regarding the events about to take place in tth
sorry:o

[cerveza_fiesta]

dujek's host is still cruising around after pwning the pannion at black coral, so maybe they'll be in it. I wouldn't mind...always liked dujek.

[Slum]

Ummm aren't Dujek's host now Paran's host?

[cerveza_fiesta]

yeah...same thing. paran's cool too.

[Aptorian]

yes, but I guess remnants of the three armies that were merged in MoI could still be hanging around, suring up the empires hold.

[Kalahinen]

Well, probably the Rhivi and the Barghast anyway. Where would they go from their own lands?

[Adjutant Stormy~]

Depends on which tribe of Barghast you mean. The White Face are off near Lether...

The Rhivi probably don't need to play that big a role- and probably went back to their herds.

[Kalahinen]

Maybe Brood wages his one-man war against the Empire.

"When pushed to the limit killing is as easy as breathing."
- Caladan Rambo