[Aptorian]

The CG is chained to Burn not the warrens connected to Kru'll

[Urb]

Aptorian;240363 said:

The CG is chained to Burn not the warrens connected to Kru'll

Urb;239468 said:

The Crippled God is chained to Burn with the power of K'rul's blood.
(Gods like Fener, Cotillion, Hood, etc., participated in the chaining.)

If there is no power in the chaines, they will break.

[Aptorian]

interesting I like it

[Mcflury]

That quote from The Bonehunters Bantam paperback page 850 that Urb gave a few posts ago... I basically do still not understand what was exactly said there... can someone enlighten me plz? I mean, why is Cotillion so shocked... or even scared?

[Aptorian]

I'm not really sure myself but If I had to make a guess, and I will, I'd say it's the ramifications of the phrase "every world". Does every world only relate to Wu and the warrens asociated with world, OR, does it mean that, like the Azath, the Shadowrealm is much, much waster than anyone expects? It exeeds time and space, everything is trapped in shadow, memories, creatures, times, all existence.

[Zorland]

Quote

---And remember, it's all about dragons.
Who said that again? Reminds me of Cotillions' little chat with Panek.

Hah, making me work here. In the beginning of TBH Edgewalker tries to convince Cotillion to let him watch as Cotillion talks to the dragons.

Quote

Edgewalker: "Given what approaches us all, it was not hard to predict. Especially given your uncanny prescience." The dead pits that were Edgewalker's eyes seemed to study Cotillion. "You suspect, do you not, that dragons are at the heart of things to come"

TBH, Bantam, Hard cover pg. 49

[Lisheo]

Ooo, dragons its about time they appear, because theyve sort of been hovering around the background.

[Optimus Prime]

I think we will see some Feral dragons wreak havoc soon.

[Lisheo]

Really? By the look of SD, I thought most of em were dead.

[Aptorian]

Dragons exist in every warren and world apparently, and I don't mean the aspected once either, there was once a lot of them everywhere.

[pastures]

erm, correct me if im wrong, but the CG wants to be free right?

So, i pretty much thought his strategy was to poison Burn, not the Warrens. Of course, it may be that one has to do both given the K'rul-Burn interdependency. But my impression is that Burn is merely the god(dess) of ONE world. Then again, K'rul may also be the god of that one world's magic (in all it's infinite forms). However, my impression of the Elder gods is that they live beyond any one world. My solution for this is that the dragons we know are the red blood cells (of magic) for Burn's world, although being a manifestation (or maybe just deputies - that is, they were independent of K'rul initially but agreed to become aspected to him later on) of K'rul, they can go anywhere. I think that the CG, like Burn, is a younger god who is aspected to one world only. Hence, he can't really do much against K'rul, although his taint does affect K'rul, but only in a limited way. After all, power is SHAPED from chaos. So really, the CG's power is merely another aspect of K'rul (since chaos is the stuff the warrens are shaped of). Which means that the CG's overriding goal is to kill off the world and all its inhabitants, but NOT kill off magic (he himself is a god - why would he kill off magic??). I think anyone can utilise chaos - there have been hints enough. It's just that the CG uses it not to create order out of it (as the other gods do), but to create destruction (merely using chaos in its raw form, which is detrimental to the "shaped chaos").

[pastures]

by the way, u cant destroy K'rul. he can't really die. he may not be conscious/sentient, but he would still be around, and will reawaken when someone remembers the god of magic.

[Mentalist]

Gods can die--He heas a physical body--kill that and he'lll be done...
Or, you can always stick him inside the Azath.....

[pastures]

Spoiler

I think it's mentioned somewhere that u can kill K'rul but he wont really be dead.

Elder gods are elemental... hint hint. And i've mentioned elsewhere that i dont think u can stick K'rul inside the Azath. 1. K'rul is the god of magic. The Azath use magic and hence are dependent on K'rul. 2. Azath might well be the "white blood cells" of K'rul.

[Urb]

Ah, well. I don't actually have proof that K'rul is not an elemental, but neither is there any proof that he is (right? quote or it didn't happen).

There are several types of magic. If K'rul was destroyed, only the newer warrens would be gone. There are still the holds, spiritual magic, elder warrens, etc.

Also, I found some further indication that the Crippled Gods wants to remove K'rul.

Reaper said:

Like me Emroth, you're heading for the gate. Starvald Demelain. Where anything is possible.
Including the destruction of the warrens.
It's the blood, you see. The blood of dragons. Outside and inside. Dead and living. Aye, amazing the things you figure out once you're dead. But not dead. Aye, it's all about the will.

[cerveza_fiesta]

I liked that post urb. Good tying together of events and use of actual book quotes.

What do you think of the chains being voltron-esque or "captain planet" like. Like you need a little piece of each warren to effect a powerful chaining. That could tie into the fact that there have been multiple chainings. 1 for the holds, 1 for the houses, 1 for whatever came before holds (caves?), 1 for whatever comes after houses (small cottages?)...If the CG has wanted to be free for that long, perhaps its his fault hold magic fell into disuse (his attempt to get free), then when house magic emerged, another chaining was performed with the new magical divisions.

[Urb]

Hmm..
Hold magic is stil being used.

I don't know what "captain planet" is (a comic book?), but a piece of each warren (K'rul's warrens) to help in the chaining would make sense. There were a lot of different powers at the last chaining.

The multiple chainings I haven't Philosophized very much about.
I'm basing my wacky theory on the connection between K'rul, Burn and tCG.
Beyond that... maybe.
Was K'rul's warrens created before or after the Crippled God was pulled down?

[Lisheo]

If it was done with multiple warrens, it would explain why so many Gods/Ascendants/Mages/priests were needed....
But one thing.... Why would they chain him to Burn? Why not some disused warren like Kaschan, or even Omtose Phellack, which has been referred to as practically dead, or even a KE fragment... Why the Warren of Wu, which is essentialy what the Malaz world is?

[Urb]

Good question. I don't remember if they ever said why (I'm thinking Rake or Brood maybe discussed it at some point?). Maybe she was the only one big enough (totally pulled that one out of thin air)? Also, it could be a vital part of the story, and therefore not yet revealed.

[Zanth13]

maybe she is the only one who volunteered or

or if she was asleep when the chaining happened (i dont remember)her being asleep made it possible (read: she couldnt fight it)...

could be that all the other warrens and worlds would reject the cg and his chains... like a bad transplant.