[Obdigore]

Cowl

Because I am playing along hoping Mal will... unearth... more.

So, since you have all these happy new threads Mal, I assume you have gotten a manuscript and finished 'proofreading' it?

As an aside, Abyss, I have a rusty spoon for you, on the condition that you share any knowledge I wish to learn about.

[Saccian]

Oh oops, I was thinking of Corlo when I voted. Oh well. Don't know enough bout Cowl anyways.

[Aptorian]

Someone type in the few lines from GotM ...and Malaclypse hand over the manuscript already!!!

Cowl must be good, we know this because he's been fighting the Malazan empire for decades, this is back in the day when the empire had cadres and all kinds of potential coming their way from Malaz.

That said Tay'd kick his ass, he was the emperies go to guy for a hundred years after all.

Then Quick would kick Tay's ass.

And then Wolverine would kill Quick.

And then Magneto kills Wolverine and the beast warren gets a knew security guy, fnck the enka'ral TTT.

[Called-by-the-Voices]

Cowl. Dunno why, I was just impressed by his attitude and the way he played with the Night-Hunters in GotM

[Lister of Smeg]

Tayschrenn. I really want him to cut loose in TtH and unleash all his power. That would be an awesome scene. Probably wouldn't be a lot left of the surrounding countryside, though.

[Svaran]

I suspect it would be a draw, true we've seen little of Cowl's power but in GOTM he toys round with serrat who is one of the most powerful of Rakes's people with consummate ease. He also nonchalantly passes on a warning to Rake himself.

In midnight tides, the cripple god tells Rhulad he is lucky not to have come to the attention of cowl inferring that he is personage of great power.

I like the way Erikson has built up Cowl similar in away to Greymane whom we have yet to see, but we know Greymane is one of the great military leaders of the Empire and thanks to MOI that he is a great swordsman on the level of the Segulah 1st and Dassem Ultor.

Likewise we know that cowl is a very powerful mage possibly on par with tays though I suspect he is also very cunning judging from his manner in GOTM.

[Lisheo]

The CG doesnt seem to like cowl, whereas no one cares about Tays. Thats my argument.

Also, Tayschrenn is fairly predictable. Fire and demons. Lets face it, he's not all that imaginative.

And Cowl has a cool name.

[thesalus]

I was under the impression that CG told Rhulad he was fortunate not to have fought whomever because they would have paid more attention to the chap. This does not tell me that Cowl is necessarily powerful, but certainly knowledgeable.

Iron Bars didn't have any trouble killing him already.

[Veilside]

thesalus;217968 said:

I was under the impression that CG told Rhulad he was fortunate not to have fought whomever because they would have paid more attention to the chap. This does not tell me that Cowl is necessarily powerful, but certainly knowledgeable.

Iron Bars didn't have any trouble killing him already.

That's the impression I got about the CG too.

[Vaddon Ra]

By Hoods sweaty nips

Tayschrenn would rape any mage from anywhere in a mage duel...

Anomander...well...perhaps that would be an amazing duel to see...GOTM doesn't really count

Quick Ben? HA!
Cowl? HAHAHA!

Anyone else want a shot

Tayschrenn will destroy You!!!

[Vaddon Ra]

Svaran, on 28 October 2007 - 09:21 AM, said:

I suspect it would be a draw, true we've seen little of Cowl's power but in GOTM he toys round with serrat who is one of the most powerful of Rakes's people with consummate ease. He also nonchalantly passes on a warning to Rake himself.

In midnight tides, the cripple god tells Rhulad he is lucky not to have come to the attention of cowl inferring that he is personage of great power.

I like the way Erikson has built up Cowl similar in away to Greymane whom we have yet to see, but we know Greymane is one of the great military leaders of the Empire and thanks to MOI that he is a great swordsman on the level of the Segulah 1st and Dassem Ultor.

Likewise we know that cowl is a very powerful mage possibly on par with tays though I suspect he is also very cunning judging from his manner in GOTM.

Hmm

Greymane is good

but I think he's good like...Karsa Orlong ferocity good!
'He always breaks his weapons...except one...except one'

SW quote.
anyway Grey is amazing...I love the duel he has with pussy Skinner, 'Bastard cheated...almost used the sword on him, got my right riled up'

HA

but

Dassem?

Seguleh 1st?

I'd laugh the ass off of Skinner going anywhere near them two...Seguleh Second has Skinner owned for a massacring...hopefully in OST.

Also...Seguleh Third is probably the baddest ass in the entire thing
The first got scared and sent him away

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ok

I am way too tired to write on forums...urgh

but yes

Greyman is awesome

he's hard

grizzled

like Karsa

Dassem is the better, faster, unparalleled swordsman

although

Rake is better

always was and always will be

I want Mok vs Rake

then I want

Rake versus Seguleh 1st

THEN I want

Seguleh 3rd vs 1st just to see if Mok is in fact the best

And then finally

I want

The Second Versus Skinner

and I'll LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL my way to the end of the book

[Dolmen 2.0]

cowl vs tayschrenn is an interesting thought but not the most likely fight. They have different approaches to magic. Cowl vs dancer would give you a much more likely scenario. Cowl is powerful but he fights indirectly, with preparation he can kill anything, tays however is more in the oldschool mage class. Powerful in a raw, can move mountains, kind of way. Cowl duking it out fair and square against Tays would be HIGHLY unlikely. He'd rather run away and comeback to kill Tays when he's sleeping or reading a book.

This post has been edited by Dolmen+: 10 November 2011 - 04:55 AM

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

Ok well this entire topic should just be moved to a later book forum to be discussed more thoroughly if we are gonna discuss it at all. It was a ridiculous 4 year old thread necro even to get it discussed today anyway.



Edit: Thread moved.....Bubba

[worry]

Vaddon Ra that is such a lovely poem!

[Silk]

Sure a lot more about Cowl came out in ROTCG but even in that he was in awe of Tay and even when he thought Tay was there for the taking he actually wasn't but was elsewhere....

This post has been edited by Silk: 10 November 2011 - 10:13 AM

[worry]

This is such a weird topic because it pairs maybe the two most inconsistently drawn characters in the Malazan world (rounded out by Topper, perhaps). Some of it's sleight of hand, some of it's deliberate mystery, but a lot of it is also ret-conning as well as differences between SE and ICE's takes (which usually aren't that problematic to me). I still don't get the core motivations for a lot of either one's behaviors and choices. Maybe the problem's with me, I dunno.

[Silk]

I think it could all boil down to Cowl wants to be Tay, Topper wants to be Dancer and well QB, like ST sits back and waits for his opportunity to be whoever they want ;o)

[sting01]

Silk, on 10 November 2011 - 01:15 PM, said:

I think it could all boil down to Cowl wants to be Tay, Topper wants to be Dancer and well QB, like ST sits back and waits for his opportunity to be whoever they want ;o)

Tay as QB , is a mage; while Cowl is a mix btw a mage and an assassin.

When you play an ADD like game; you do have personnage with single class and some other that are multi class. Usually the later are more 'jack of all trade" guy, without deep specialisation, while the former are edging ascendency in thir field , but only in that.

If we keep that in mind (and the fact Malaz was created for an ADD like game) comparing Tay and Cowl would be similar in comparing the world champion for 100m ; and the lead decathlon guy; and using a 200 m run to see who is the best! Yes it would be a close call, as both are powerfull athletes, and both are trained to run short distance runs; but who will have the edge at the opinion? My bet would be the true runner, even if he finish the 200 m completly burned.

So in a ONLY magic duel; Tay shall have a win but it would be a close one; and if it is an operation as in ROTCG, Tay might even be hurt baddly as he does have only One guard while Cowl can not only rely on his own assassin talent but also on his assistants.

About QB, I would dare he would avoid such confrontation; and if not possible he would make it worthless (you can take me, but it would simply mean all you fight for would disappear, so am I worth that price, or shall we call it a day and to the next time , mate!)

[Kanese S's]

I think Tayschrenn would win. At least, that's the impression that RotCG gave me, where we get a closer look at Cowl.

But really they're totally different kinds of mages. Cowl is more the "I will use magic to sneak up on you and pop out of a warren to stabbity stab and you won't even know what hit you," whereas Tay is more like "I'll just blast you with a tidal wave of fire, and you'll know full well before hand that you're doomed. Dooooooomed."

[Ben Delat]

Tay vs Cowl.....I pick Tay, in that he still seems to be able to be an almost direct conduit for D'rek power even though he isn't DemiDrek anymore. I dont think they state Cowl's preferred warren(s) although it seems he uses shadow in RotCG but that may be my impression.

Cowl was in GotM, he is the one who repeatedly stops the Andii assassins and when Blues saves Crokus later he says Cowl is up there somewhere(the rooftops)

And don't forget Cowl vs Topper in RotCG.

I dont think anyone could definitively say in the quick vs tay or cowl, since quick has so much we never see, his relation with motherdark hints and something more and we have never seen his soletaken form. His raw power is def a match for both IMO, since he combines multiples warrens into single attacks.