[Aptorian]

I was just doing a reread of a passage and I noted the rodents that flock around the grand albino.

In Midnight Tides, when that ghost/wraith (Ruin?) appears before the party travelling to the village of the Edur, there's a flood ofmice scutling along the road, hundreds of thousands or millions of them. Now I'm not even completely sure that wraith was Ruins but it was said that a dragon made that trail crawling to it's death. I'm guessing that was Scabby trying to get away from the EG police.

The again in RG when they are traversing the mountains, the KCCM bred lizard mice are flocking around the travellers and they follow Ruin into the fort where Ruin kills a few dozen people for the fun of it.

Is it just the funky smell of rotten Andii or some weird connection?

[Flawed]

Well he parlayed with e Kccm in ancient times. Weren't these mice used for specific duties such as cleaning and even food my the Kccm?

Perhaps they sense a connection with Ruin and the Kccm of old and so hang around him for this reason?

Or it could be they can sense imminent destruction or the palpable will of Ruin too lay waste to a continent or 3.

Or Ruin could just smell really badly of cheese.

I'm up for the cheese theory.

[Cougar]

Is it possible that the lizard mice are responding to some sort of hardwired actraction to an ascendant of Ruin's power, soething they haven't felt since the KCCM left?

I've had a scan and I can't find anything else?

[Abyss]

Or, if we really want to go out on a wire, it may be that the lizard mice associate both KC and dragons with food. It was hinted in RG that there's a connection there.

- Abyss, figures dead dragons make better mouse bait.

[Dragnipurake]

Ruin states something like, "they see in me a promise" of what the andii and edur did in their battle with the KC and in other such wars. "a multitude of tyrants to rule over the ashes we left behind". i guess they know there will be food around once silchas ruin leaves.

[Lancelot]

The "Orthen" also plays with kettle aswell, her with the old FA soul. So it probably is a power thing.

[Shiara]

I agree with the power theory. After all, the mice in Midnight Tides were just ordinary mice, not lizard mice (of doom!).

[Cougar]

Shiara;213059 said:

I agree with the power theory. After all, the mice in Midnight Tides were just ordinary mice, not lizard mice (of doom!).

I think we should close this thread before the Lizard Mice take on a similar status in peoples' warped minds as those flamin' donkeys of Shadow etc

[Dancer+]

You've done it now Cougar.

It's inevitable. Those Lizard Mice will be at the biggest battle of the series, this is where they eat all of the bodies of ascendants and multiply and grow until they're pretty much invincible, the true hoard.

[Tremolo]

The mice are scavengers like the ravens that lived in Moons Spawn?

[Cougar]

Tremolo;213112 said:

The mice are scavengers like the ravens that lived in Moons Spawn?

I think this is a fair point; maybe, and it's total speculation, the original method of control by the KCCM was based around the matrons magic, thus they are attracted to the power of Ruin and Kettle. Also when there are a party of living creatures around they could also be attraced to them as scavengers. Much in the same way that Dogs were originally domesticated becuase they hung around human campsites and settlements.

[Abyss]

Cougar;213069 said:

I think we should close this thread before the Lizard Mice take on a similar status in peoples' warped minds as those flamin' donkeys of Shadow etc

Of course not. The lizard mice are obvious some d'ivers which lost its mind but still is attracted to beings of power, whereas the Donkeygoth are the true darkness from Krul's deal with Dessibelackis circa the end of the First Empire.

- Abyss, shouldn't have to explain these things.

[Tremolo]

Is a large group of mice called a "murder of mice" then?

[Cougar]

Abyss;213115 said:

Of course not. The lizard mice are obvious some d'ivers which lost its mind but still is attracted to beings of power, whereas the Donkeygoth are the true darkness from Krul's deal with Dessibelackis circa the end of the First Empire.

- Abyss, shouldn't have to explain these things.

It's only that you have managed to tie together two of my favorite themes (that's cats and pirates) that stops me from launching into a tedious (not to mention killjoyesque and ultimately futile) refutation of the Donkeygoth theory.

That and the threat of your fearsome de-repping power!

[Shiara]

Ooo yes, Abyss is a heavyweight repper alright - watch your tongue young cougar!

*knows that Abyss has a strange fondness for the proper use of effluvia in a sentence*

[Tremolo]

Like any cat, Abyss will only pounce on Cougar (a greater cat by the way!) if he tries to run away or hide from him...

[Abyss]

Before i derail the thread too severely, i would note that the mice could be a reflction of the theme we've seen more than once that 'the land remembers' - ie: beings of great power who impact, theoretically or physically, on a physical space may leave an impression (again, 'psychic', or a big frikkin hole) that causes the simplest of minds to react to them or similar beings.

And puh-lease. 'Pouncing' is for amatuers.

- Abyss, prefers orbital bombardment.

[Cougar]

Abyss;213151 said:

Abyss, prefers orbital bombardment.

I'd have thought it was more likely to be a (minus) 47 gun broadside from the Saucy Sall, or whatever Abyss' pirate vessel is called

[Shurque's biatch]

Abyss;213115 said:

Of course not. The lizard mice are obvious some d'ivers which lost its mind but still is attracted to beings of power, whereas the Donkeygoth are the true darkness from Krul's deal with Dessibelackis circa the end of the First Empire.

- Abyss, shouldn't have to explain these things.

As much as I like the Donkeygoth, having now seen lizard mice, lizard cats (HO!) and lizard, uh lizards, the true power is going to be lizard donkeys.

[Aptorian]

dont forget the lizard birds, lizard people and lizardpterodactyles.