[amphibian]

Zanth13, on 21 September 2009 - 05:29 AM, said:

Arm neck triange is my brothers favorite submission, he was going for it, but his trainer screamed at him that the round only had 15 seconds left and to do as much damage as possible with strikes so he let it go and ground and pounded.

I like the Arm neck, but dont get it landed as much as my brother, i land the kimura the most, and have some decent normal triangels
now...

Smart, I totally missed that.

Look up the D'arce and Anaconda chokes. Once you understand what's going on with both (they are different), it's a very fun time to deal with people trying to wrestle you down. I've only recently gotten the hang of it and doing an actual anaconda roll to finish is my favorite thing ever in BJJ.

[Pig Iron]

Nice fight Zanth, fun to watch, congratulations to your brother.

[Zanth13]

it seems like Vitor VS Silva will happen Jan 02..

a pretty good new years present

Seems like a god damn exciting match... Vitors speed and power has to make Anderson take it seriously and put forth all his skill.... i hope to see anderson fight with 100 percent of is ability

[amphibian]

ADCCs are still going on as I speak (the World Cup of submission grappling/no-gi BJJ). There have been some great matches.

True upsets are rare in that tourney, but Pablo Popovitch finally got Marcelo Garcia (the reigning divisional champion and near-mortal lock to win almost anything he enters) on points in the finals. Pablo's finished second to Marcelo so many times over the years.

Cobrinha made it to the finals - which is awesome because nobody was sure if his amazing gi game would translate well AND because he came up to my gym juuuuust before I got there to do a seminar for my team. I met him down in NYC and watched him wipe the mats with the other black belts. The guy that beat him is apparently the youngest ADCC champ ever.

Braulio Estima is finally injury free this year and won his weight class by inverted triangle over Galvao apparently. He won the absolutes at the World Pro (gi competition) this year and triangled Marcelo in that, while also winning his division at the Mundials (also gi). Estima's just flat out raking in the prizes this year.

Fabricio Werdum (the Strikeforce fighter) is the heavyweight champ. Xande Ribero is the light heavyweight champ (his brother Saulo lost to Werdum in the finals).

Jacare beat Drysdale in the superfight. It was close, but Jacare managed to score a takedown in the late period when points counted.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

How are tournament BJJ matches scored? Obviously I assume a sub ends the match, but how does the scoring work if goes to points?

[amphibian]

Raymond Luxury Yacht, on 29 September 2009 - 08:46 PM, said:

How are tournament BJJ matches scored? Obviously I assume a sub ends the match, but how does the scoring work if goes to points?

Straight from the ADCC rules:

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Each position must be established for 3 seconds or more in order for points to be awarded.

Getting Mount position = 2 points
Back mount with hooks = 3 points
Passing the guard = 3 points
Knee on stomach = 2 points
Clean Sweep = 4 points
Sweep = 2 Points
Clean Take down (Ends passed the guard)= 4 points
Take down (Ends Guard or Half Guard)= 2 points

When changing multiple positions points will be awarded only for the position that has been established for 3 seconds or more.

Reversals are considered Sweeps as well.

Points only count in the last 5 minutes of the 10 minute fight - or the overtime periods. This is theoretically designed to allow people to go for subs and riskier moves before attempting to grind out a win. If the score's still tied after two overtimes, it becomes a referee decision - and that usually goes to the more aggressive/active fighter who spent more time in a dominant position.

A real points-based thrashing is only like 10-0 or 11-0 (like Galvao had this year against some European). Usually those who get in this tournament are at such a high level that they're rather even. Comparative advantages are slight, but they do matter.

Anyways, Braulio ended up winning the Absolute - as Xande Ribeiro tore a pectoral muscle while trying to scrape Braulio off of him in the finals. He's had a legendary year and even if he does nothing else in his career, he will be a god in the BJJ world.

Cobrinha ended up beating Rani Yahya, the 2007 divisional champ - and broke his arm accidentally. Guys and girls in this tournament haaaaaate tapping and they're usually good enough to get out of the subs or can tap before the breaking point is reached.

Chris Weidman, a purple belt (99% of ADCC competitors are the best of the black belts) did pretty well in this tournament. Granted, he was an Olympic hopeful wrestler, but he took one or two matches. I think he's transitioning into MMA as well. He'll be a good 185'er in a couple of years, I think.

[Bonesaw85]

God damn, WEC never fails to entertain......... Fight for fight it's generally more entertaining that the UFC. If you didn't catch it make you you check it out online.

[amphibian]

Bonesaw85, on 12 October 2009 - 11:07 PM, said:

God damn, WEC never fails to entertain......... Fight for fight it's generally more entertaining that the UFC. If you didn't catch it make you you check it out online.

Benson Henderson seemingly has a Fitch-like ability to just chill out in the guillotine. However, his gas tank took a big hit before escaping the second one and led to Cerrone dominating the last two rounds - after losing the first three. If he gets better at avoiding them, he's going to be tough to stop in the WEC at 155. In the UFC, he'd be thrown to the sharks and be bounced out before he reached his potential (which I think is pretty high actually).

I really don't want the UFC to fold WEC in just yet.

[Bonesaw85]

Yeah those 2 guillotines or no arm darces or whatever they where where rediculous........ The one in the later rounds was fucking nasty, looked like Henderson AKA "Bendo"s neck was boken.

I thought I read a little while ago that they're not going to fold the WEC and they'll hold an event a month in 2010 plus 2 PPVs a year.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

I'm not convinced WEC will succeed on PPV. I'm in the fold 'em camp. Let's get these guys paid, and then with the extra weight classes nearly every UFC event will have a title match. Reinstate all weight classes for the WEC and use it as a true minor league feeder for the UFC, so we still get free fights on Versus.

[Bonesaw85]

I hear that, these guys deserve to be paid MUCH more than they are.

[amphibian]

Raymond Luxury Yacht, on 13 October 2009 - 03:26 AM, said:

I'm not convinced WEC will succeed on PPV. I'm in the fold 'em camp. Let's get these guys paid, and then with the extra weight classes nearly every UFC event will have a title match. Reinstate all weight classes for the WEC and use it as a true minor league feeder for the UFC, so we still get free fights on Versus.

Without the non-UFC weight classes (145 and 135), would we seriously watch the WEC? It'd just be a better version of the IFL at that point.

This WEC talk is reminding me that I still haven't seen Brown v. Faber 2 and that's a crying shame. Also, I wanna see Takaya v. Bibiano too.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

I would watch any free mma on tv, especially if it was guys I will later see in the UFC if they're successful. Same reason I watch TUF, who knows which one of those guys will be the next big thing.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Trying to decde if I should go watch the fights tonight. My wife can't go, so I would begoing by myself. My back is seriously screwed up, and other than the Machida fight tis card doesn't really grab me. Looking like a no. If I could show up when the fights actually start and get in ,aybe, but I don't think I have it in me to get there 4 hours early to wait. Not this time.

[Bent]

If Knoxville ever had a MMA fight I would be ther..regrdless of who i was..disappointed in u RLY....Drunk and disappointed....

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

It wasn't the actual fights, just going to watch the PPV at the casino, and I ended up going.

Spoiler

I think I disagree with the Machida decision. From only watching the fight once, I had Machida taking round 3, Shogun taking the rest. Not sure though. I had the feeling the whole fight that I might be getting influenced by what Rogan was saying. I would like to watch it again without his commentary. Either way, it was a close fight, not a robbery. I disagree with how it was judged, but I've seen many worse decisions.

[amphibian]

I agree with there being much, much worse decisions in the UFC (as well as other organizations - Japanese racism comes to mind). Karo-Kim was bad, Guillard-Tibau was on the same level and I'm sure if we go back through the years, we'll find decisions that would cause modern fans to storm the stage.

That being said, it was a good night of fights. Yoshida seems to have terrible head movement against guys with longer reach. First Kos, now Johnson. It's a shame since he's rather charismatic and wants to succeed so much that he moved over to Jackson's New Mexico camp without having any fluency in English whatsoever.

I think Machida pulled or strained something in his legs either before the fight or very early on. He only "exploded" once or twice, trying to deliver an overhand right to Shogun's face and once stringing together a terrific combination to end the round. That lack of leg mobility might have caused him to really lay off the kicks to the body, which Shogun was giving opportunities for all fight long.

The stoppage in Rothwell-Velasquez was early, but it'd have ended soon anyways. Seeing the very fluid change of directions in the takedowns was sweet to watch. Okami seems to have taken all the "boring" crap people have been saying and gone the Koscheck route - to his detriment. Ugh.

Tibau might be better off taking a little mass off and working on his speed of movement after the takedowns.

On a side note, I ended up talking for fifteen minutes to a current UFC fighter who happened to be in the bar about the Bader-Schaefer match and the title fight. He remembered me from last year and was a very cool guy.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Who?

[amphibian]

Hamill. He's fighting Bones Jones in December.

I think Bones and Mousasi are the future of 205, so I scrupulously avoided talking about that match with him.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Hamill seems like a cool guy. I think I remeber you talking about meeting him before.