[Dolorous Menhir]

A technical question - there are many excerpts of works by "Felisin" throughout the books, all from Call to Shadow. At first it's obvious that Felisin Paran wrote these, but now I think it was Felisin Younger/Fatter.

For this reason: Felisin Paran is known to the world as "Sha'ik" or "Sha'ik Reborn". Only Felisin Younger goes by the name Felisin. So any popular written works credited to "Felisin" must be the work of Felisin Younger.

I'm fairly sure I remember a reference to Felisin Paran writing some poetry during her brief time as Sha'ik, but on balance I think that Felisin Younger wrote Call to Shadow. This might not seem very important, but I'm working on the wiki and don't want to insert my own mistaken ideas as if they were fact.

Thoughts?

[Mael]

Dolorous Menhir;198762 said:

A technical question - there are many excerpts of works by "Felisin" throughout the books, all from Call to Shadow. At first it's obvious that Felisin Paran wrote these, but now I think it was Felisin Younger/Fatter.

For this reason: Felisin Paran is known to the world as "Sha'ik" or "Sha'ik Reborn". Only Felisin Younger goes by the name Felisin. So any popular written works credited to "Felisin" must be the work of Felisin Younger.

I'm fairly sure I remember a reference to Felisin Paran writing some poetry during her brief time as Sha'ik, but on balance I think that Felisin Younger wrote Call to Shadow. This might not seem very important, but I'm working on the wiki and don't want to insert my own mistaken ideas as if they were fact.

Thoughts?

I had assumed that it was Felisin Younger unless they were later published by someone that was familiar with her previous identity prior to DG. This is unlikely since most of them are dead tho so i'd say go with the younger for now.

[Dark Mac]

Doesn't Felisin Sha'ik mention that her mother (Felisin Eldest?) wrote Call to Shadow at some point?

[Dolorous Menhir]

Many of the Call of Shadow excerpts give "Felisin's" date of birth as 1146. This would make her roughly 16-18 in DG/HoC, which is not unreasonable for both Felisins. It does rule out the mother, though I do agree that she was referred to as a writer or poet at some point.

[Falco]

Yeah I've always thought it was Felisin Younger too...

[Midnight]

I think it was stated that Felisin/Sha'ik's mother began Call to Shadow and Felisin/Sha'ik continued it.

[Obdigore]

Midnight;198893 said:

I think it was stated that Felisin/Sha'ik's mother began Call to Shadow and Felisin/Sha'ik continued it.

Where?

I understood that Sha'ik wrote poetry. Never, that I recall, was it mentioned that she ever showed, or gave anyone what she wrote. Felisin mentions it to Toblakai, I believe.

I would assume that younger writes this 'Call to Shadow' as the 'text book' of her 'religion of forgiveness', however that is just my take, and have nothing to back that up based on something spelled out in the books.

[Dark Mac]

Obdigore;198896 said:

Where?

Indeed, I remember the same. Some time in HoC, I think. I thought she told Felisin Younger about it, but I'm not sure.

[Sir Bob]

yep im going to say that felisin eldest(thanks to Dark mac) started "call to shadow" but never finished im now going to look the referance...

[tiam]

I think that Felisins mother started writing poetry. Then Felesin Shaik started following suit. In HOC Karsa says he hopes poetry would serve her well. Then it seems likely that Felesin Fatter followed suit and started writing poetry so really it could be both although im not sure if Felisin Fatter did write poetry as she could be busy writing the new book of Dryjhna

[Sir Bob]

"call to shadow she has called it. Or, rather, she continues a poem her own mother began" felisin younger talking to Heboric about Sha'ik

[tiam]

So really it could have been Felesins mother who wrote the poems weve seen? Which makes me wonder what Felesin wrote what?

[Sir Bob]

as to who wrote what there r probably hints in the actual poem but i really cant be bothered to look them all up, there im lazy!!! im going with sha'ik writing the majorit that we have seen but just a gut feeling so im prob wrong..

[Imperial Historian]

Well I'd say the first bit about the death of the emperor was probably written by felisin elder (or felisin's mother, was she called felisin as well?), as she was still alive for this bit of history, wheras later bits such as the fall of darujhistan were probably written by felisin younger, as felisin elder was dead by this point. It's possible that felisin fatter, also wrote some of the poem, or at least finished it after felisin youngers death, but I don't have any qotes to back that up.

[BridgeBurner]

Just a thought, and I'm speculating here. I'll bring it up for DM to consider though.

I can't really relate Felisin Elder and Mother Paran to anything like Shadow (with a capital S). The same can be said for Felisin Fatter, except for that she and her religion start out out in the CG's influence sphere, but won't stay there, as stated in tBH.

Maybe at some point she'll take her followers to Shadow.

As I said, speculating, but maybe it helps...

[Dolorous Menhir]

That's a good point, what's the association with Shadow?

I don't know what to make of that. It may refer to the ascensions of Kellanved and Dancer and the associated resurrection of HHShadow - which is the topic of the first excerpt from Call to Shadow, and is only the second item in the series, after the narrators words.

All the excerpts from Call to Shadow on the wiki page (don't know if complete list, doubt it) relate to Shadow or the Malazan Empire, so perhaps it is a historical work on the Emperor. So we shouldn't expect it to be concerned with the lives of the Felisins.