[Dr Trouble]

Flawed;201810 said:

Agreed! ( said whilst shaving my precious dog )

What!

I know what i mean............. do you..

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Is this a persona you put on when you are on the internet? If so, please, for the sake of the children.

[Flawed]

Trouble;201811 said:

What the fudge is wrong with you?

Is this a persona you put on when you are on the internet? If so, please, for the sake of the children.

It would take years to explain.



Shave my precious dog

Shave = Thomas Covenant - Donaldson
Precious = Gollom - Tolkien
dog = Herbert

Perhaps a little too abstract for a Monday but there you go

[Yellow]

I generally enjoy reading the WoT books, despite the things I don't like about them (good points outweigh the bad points on this one)... but I can't get over the immense ammount of bullshit that spews forth from RJ's mouth.

I've heard a few interviews with him online, and I've read more than a few interviews in print, and the guy just comes off as an arse. I occasionally check his blog on dragonmount, because I'm dying to read the last book and I need all the WoT I can get in the meantime, but damn, the man annoys me.

I remember reading something from him where a reader/poster commented that he didn't write women well - that he made them into gossipy, man-hating morons. His response was, to paraphrase, that he knew women far better than other men, due to some barely-explained close experience of women, and we should just trust him on this. Right... nice one, Jim.

I have enjoyed reading the WoT, and I hope the last book does something towards finishing the series in style, but I can't sit there and listen to Jordan talk about his writing as though it's perfect. Does this man have no humility?

[Yellow]

Sorry (but not really) for the double post, but wanted to touch on a different angle than the last post.

WoT is like toast. Toast is pretty nice. We've all had a gajillion slices of toast, and at the end of the day, we're all pretty glad for having toast. Toast is one of those things that you've had so long that you don't even remember what the world was like before you tried it, and it's so uniform that you can barely remember one slice from the rest. All you know is that there's been a lot of toast, and generally it was good. But damn, it doesn't exactly spark that fire in your pants.

Sure, it'd be nice to have some bacon on it, and you wish that it didn't taste of burnt half of the time, but you can always rely on toast. Some people prefer cereal for breakfast, but frankly, they're freaks and who cares?

Imagine a world without toast. What would be the point of jam?

And so, in conclusion, read the books if you like them (or have become pathetically addicted to them), and get what you can from them. If you don't like them, don't read them. And go and eat your cereal, freak.

[Aimless]

For me and probably for a great many fans, the great enjoyment of WoT had very much to do with the forums, newsgroups, etc. The activity of this community made for a level of immersion I haven't encountered since, not even with Erikson's books (check out the WoT-FAQ for an idea of what I'm talking about). That's why I read (and love) Erikson, but LIVED (and still love) WoT.

RJ himself managed to get a great deal out of very simple ingredients with some hard work and fussiness, of course.

I'm sure there are people out there thinking, "RJ's work isn't in the same league as Erikson's, Mieville's, etc," and that may be true but only in the sense that you'd be comparing different kinds of fantasy. You'd be better off comparing RJ with Feist, for example. Or even Herbert everyone's like OMG U FREEK HERBETS SCIFI

[paladin]

except that it really only took 3 books for herbert to complete what its taken jordan to do in what, 13?

[Aimless]

Excellent point if WoT = Dune. Otherwise, less excellent and more snarky.

[paladin]

then why make the comparison?

[Danno]

You forgot 'crosses her arms angrily under her breasts' to go with the 'changes her shift/ washes her face'.

Paladin, I have to agree. The series truly blows ass. Longwinded, repetitive, hardly any original ideas, meandering... really, don't bother.

Try the 'Assasin's Apprentice' series by Robin Hobb. Much, much, much better!

Comparing Herbert to WoT? I am NOT thinking OMG Herbert's SciFi, I am really just freaking flabergasted, yes, flabergasted! Comparing one of the greatest fiction series of all time, no kidding, Dune to.. to.... to well words just escape me. Reading Herbert (Frank, NOT his son) is like trying solve a subtle, beautifully designed puzzle while reading Jordan is like getting hit in the head with a brick, with no lemon wrapped around it, over and over again.

[Abyss]

I was involved in the fan community but it wasn't enough to keep me interested in the 'advance order every hardback' sense.

(contrast with this forum which contributes to me being exactly that way for SE books, because discussing the books here is tons of fun)

I've bought the last three WoT books whe the hardbacks are severely marked down just before ther mmpg is released, because i am curious enuf to see how he ends it to spend $10CAN (ish). If fan response to the finale is strong enuf, i may give him more of my $ and purchase it when it comes out, but i will not be pre-ordering. I will, inevitably, read it tho', because i enjoyed enough of the series to want to see how it ends.

- Abyss, wishes he had a braid to tug.

[McLovin]

I think when the WoT finale comes out, I'll go to the nearest bookstore, pick a copy off the shelves, flip to the last 50 pages or so and skim them while sipping a coffee, nod with satisfaction, then replace said copy unbought (hey, I paid for the coffee at least ) back onto said bookstore's shelf, and walk out. If I can be assed to do even that much. Maybe I'll just read the inevitable spoiler thread here.

[lokiman]

I,ll just wait for it at the library. Cuz it was good, but it could have been better.

[Werthead]

I'm hoping to be able to snag an ARC. I'm surprised they still bother with them (they don't for Rowling or King, and I don't think they do for Pratchett, and they're the only living fantasy authors who outsell Jordan), but apparently releasing ARCs of KoD generated a lot of pre-release goodwill which may have improved that book's sales, so hopefully they'll do the same for the final novel.

I'd lay bets on it topping 1,000 pages in hardcover though.

[Varunwe]

I'll buy the last book. I want to know how it ends, and I enjoyed the last half of KoD well enough.

I never really noticed all that braidtugging etc. until I started hanging out at wotmania. Same for boiled leather and must needs etc. for MBotF.