[Dark Mac]

So...any idea what this title really means for Trull? I was thinking it meant that he was on his way to ascension, especially since he was able to hold off Iccy on his own. Like Treach, maybe death is what he needed to ascend fully? Otherwise his death seemed pretty pointless in the overall story, and becoming the Knight of Shadow seems useless as well. It seems likely enough that we'll see him again, especially if one of his children becomes the new ruler of Shadow.

Any thoughts on Trull coming back?

[Illuyankas]

Kallor mentioned something about SE explaining to him that Trull had to die, as the Book Of The Fallen is a tragedy and Trull going off to live with Seren would be too upbeat - nice try, SE, but I ain't buying it - and barring an appearance if, as DM pointed out, we find out where Edur souls go, I don't think so. In a non-Seren's baby related way, of course.

[Onrack the breakable]

I don't know, didn't Kalenved and Dancer have to die before ascending into their position in the deck of dragons? However that was for humans, it seems the "elder" type races typically ascend without dieing first.

The problem is that most references indicate that Edur spirits go back "home" to either chaos or shadow both of which would seem to mean the dissolution of that spirit.

There was something about that spear too, maybe Trull was intended to be "ensouled" into the spear like those two friends of Karsa into his stone sword. And whether intended or not, that may be what happened considering all the odd things about that spear in the first place and Maels comments when Seren was burying the sword and spear, and of course Trulls own affinity for spears.

Just speculations.

[Gem Windcaster]

There's a possibility Trull will ascend. There's a spot open now that Scabby is locked away forever. Ofcourse, SE don't have to take the plot in that direction, but there's certainly a neat connection between that new Azath house and Trull - and we all know there's some mysterious connection between the Azath and ascendancy. However, I'm fine with Trull being dead, because SE can only resurrect so many tragic deaths before it grows predictable. But I can't say I would be mad if Trull ascended. If anyone deserves it, it's him.

[Braven Tooth]

Thought he must have been ascended already, if he was the Knight of Shadows. Otherwise, what exactly is the difference between a knight/mortal sword magi/destriant etc.

[Dolorous Menhir]

You don't have to ascend to be Knight of Shadow, which is what I think you are saying, Where. You don't have to be an ascendant to have any position in the Deck. Mortal Swords are another matter, but not relevant to discussions of Knights of High Houses.

It is possible that in dying Trull has fully taken his place as Knight of Shadow. After all, that's what Kellanved & Dancer did in order to take up positions in the same House.

I don't think Talamandas has ascended - he was already dead when we first met him.

[The Cad]

Kellanved and Dancer never died.

And it would be rubbish if too many came back from the dead. As the shout would be 'well why are Whiskeyjack and Itkovian not back!?'

Resurrection lessens the original tradgedy of a good characters death. Or rather too many resurrections would!

[Dragnipurake]

the positions in the deck are temporary and this has occured many times: whiskeyjack as the mason of HHDeath, Kalam as the herald in DHG(?) etc. but the card of Knight of Shadow we see in BH has Trull's image on it, like Rake's image on Knight of Dark card. I thought this meant Trull has ascended, and is the knight in a more permanent manner. (as to Scabandari, was it actually mentioned anywhere that he was the knight when he was alive?).

[caladanbrood]

The cards (and I imagine the tiles) do change what they show from time to time...

But yes, having your image on a card would suggest a greater permenance in the position than the usual - not necessarily a sign of ascendance though.

[Thelomen Toblerone]

Well, if he was ascended, he's dead now, which renders it a rather moot point. I cant see him being ressurected now, theres been too many people coming back to life for me to believe Trull will be too.

[Skywalker]

Hmm... Trull's death was very Shakespearean wasn't it? A pointless death to highlight the nature of the world and so on. I for one hope he doesn't ascend or come back... I woulda liked him to live on, but now that he's dead, leave him in peace.

One too many resurrections... I'm ambivalent on other resurrections/ comebacks like Hedge and Toc (multiple comebacks - him keeping one eye when he meets Hood tells me there's scope for more) and Brys too. Especially Brys... that was VERY Shakespearean too, right down to the uber-cliche of the poisoned wine. SE shoulda let that be that.

[Dragnipurake]

I really look forward to the next fiddler's game or someone's casting of the deck to see how the knight of shadows card shows up.

[Yellow]

Dark Mac;186864 said:

...his death seemed pretty pointless

Yup. Plus about 5 or 10 other main characters'.