[Aptorian]

caladanbrood;184512 said:

Apologies if this is answered later in the book - I'm still on page 640.

Clip, while that particular group of travellers are resting in the Tiste warren (whichever one, or mixture of ones, it is) specifically states that Andarist, Silchas and Anomander have (or had) a father. And, it was implied, the same one. So, either he's lying, which seems pointless, unless I'm about to read about a far larger betrayal, or this, obviously, runs contrary to everything we know about their heritage.

I have a lurking theory nagging in the back of my head, but I won't post it until I've finished the book and read any of your responses, if it still makes sense:)

So, back to broods original mystery post. Could it be that what Udinass was hinting at was that the three brothers are all children of Mother Dark and Father Light? Well at least Ruin, making it obvious why Ruin can fiddle with the lightswitch in Darkness.

I still haven't reread but there was some discussion of the color of the three brothers skin wasn't proof of the blood/nature of their insides... Quote anyone?

[Karsa Orlong]

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I still haven't reread but there was some discussion of the color of the three brothers skin wasn't proof of the blood/nature of their insides... Quote anyone?

The thing about their skin and blood/nature was the observation of Udinaas (i think) that Andarist was pure dark (hair and all), Anomandaris was a "mix" with his white/silver hair and Silchas is "pure" light...being all white ^^ . Sorry, no page-quote...just out of my head.

[Coldsnap]

But as well it spoke to their natures, Andarist, if darkest on the outside, would have a light within him that would shine in character, as we saw on Drift. Ruin, being the albino, would be filled with a darkness within, as we see in his character, though darkness surely doesn't mean evil. And thus anomander, the mix of the two, white hair, dusky skin, and seems to have both the inner light and cold darkness at his disposal.

But yeah, i must admit confusion in what udinass was saying and will probably reread it for the next year.

[Lisheo]

The reason Ruin is so "dark" is because hes got so much dragonjuice inside him that he thinks like an Eleint, as mentioned before... Anomander drank less, so hes warmer, but hes still capable of coldness. And Andarist is full of mercy, as he did not partake in Tiams bloody orgy thing.
It seems to me that the comparison to Light and Darkness was merely Udinaas trying to be smart.
Doesnt it seem like Silchas would have been a better wielder of Dragnipur?

[Boulder]

Depends what your idea of 'better' is...if you're talking body-count, then probably. But Rake seems to hold it back for those he thinks deserve it.

Also on the subject of veering, it doesn't necessarily give access to SD, i think it's Paran in MoI who sees Rake flaming the Tenescowri and thinks to himself "There is another gate into Kurald Gulain, right down that dragon's mouth"

Also, I don't think we can necessarily trust anything anyone in the books tells us; even if they don't have any reason to lie they are piecing things together just as much as we are. Didn't Steven Erickson even say in an interview that Baruk's Draconic tree was mostly but not entirely right anyway?

[Jimmy]

Just wondering. Is it their arrogance, that makes them so vulnerable?

It seems that only Rake has spent anytime at all with humans, Malazans anyway. All the others don't know too much about them and don't take them seriously.

Especially not knowing about those munitions?

[Jorram]

Speaking of the family tree, why were Menandore, Sukul and Sheltatha sisters AGAIN, after MT (and the family tree) made it clear that Sheltatha is their cousin?

Or is it discussed somewhere else?

[ShadowOwl]

They had different fathers but wasn't Tiam their mother? That would make them sisters.

[Jorram]

Hm, fair point, I forgot that

[Rat Mentor]

Its mentioned that the three Brothers Rake, Ruin, Andarist know who their father is and that's the reason why they are at odds with Mother Dark...

Who is he....?

Also, I wonder who L'orics mother is...?

Does he get his Liosen trates from Osserc or Mummy?

More questions than answers...

You know I get the impression that after book 10, we will still have holes to be filled in the Malazan world... Bloody sneaky Author...

[ShadowOwl]

I got the impression that Father Light is like the opposite side of Mother Dark, sort of like Yin and Yang to create balance which is needed for Order. So I'm thinking FL is the dad to all and he is not Osserc.

I think they created all the Tiste's and their warrens. Within those warrens/realms the Tiste's did not know of each other until a dragon named Tiam came to visit. Then the brothers became soletaken and could leave their warrens. Once they found out about each other the infighting started and the rest is history. Just my theory......

I also think Triss the Queen of Dreams is L'Oric's mother as he went to her for info on his father. Therefore L'Oric would be a mage like her, but not soletaken like his father if the trait goes thru the maternal line.

My 5 cents on it all...

[Lisheo]

Thats a damn good point ShadowOwl. Triss did travel about with Ossric at some point, and Loric isnt soletaken, so shes a good candidate....
FL definatly isnt Ossric. Ossric was merely filling in the position of the God of the Liosan, as Loric was doing after him.
Question: What elemental force would Tiam be aspected to? Because the Blood of Eleint turns into stone after its spilled. So maybe Tiams blood did more than just taint the blood of the Andii Lords. Maybe it also became Wu? She was the ultimate Eleint after all, obviously an Elder Goddess. And large amounts of spilled Elder blood seems to go creating Realms, if Krul is anything to go by.

[Dolorous Menhir]

ShadowOwl;207793 said:

I also think Triss the Queen of Dreams is L'Oric's mother as he went to her for info on his father. Therefore L'Oric would be a mage like her, but not soletaken like his father if the trait goes thru the maternal line.

My 5 cents on it all...

I covered the Loric's mother question in this FAQ. My conclusion was that she is an unlikely candidate, the dialogue in HoC makes it a remote possibility, especially the conversation between the alleged mother and son.

Thoughts?

[ShadowOwl]

I wonder if L'Oric knows who she is or was. Wonder if she is still alive? that might give us a hint as she'd have to be an ascendant to still be around.

[Dolorous Menhir]

ShadowOwl;207886 said:

I wonder if L'Oric knows who she is or was. Wonder if she is still alive? that might give us a hint as she'd have to be an ascendant to still be around.

L'oric knows who his mother is. That's clear from the conversation when Osserc mentions her to his son.

[ShadowOwl]

I do hope SE ties up all these questions by the end of book 10, cuz I want to know everything!