Heyhey, the ending. *SPOILERS* O'course.

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Heyhey, the ending. SPOILERS O'course.

#141 Illuyankas

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Posted 20 May 2007 - 08:06 PM

If they'd killed Sirryn, they wouldn't have found the entrance, and many more Malazan lives would have been lost. Which would have sucked.

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#142 tiam

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Posted 20 May 2007 - 08:55 PM

Gem Windcaster;185528 said:

Indeed. The Errant is the most annoying character by far. Not even the Mhybe or Felisin, or Karsa in his worst moments wasn't even close to the Errant.

Edit: typos.

lies all lies. The Mhybe was the MOST ANNOYINGLY WHINY CHARACTER EVER

#143 Gem Windcaster

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Posted 20 May 2007 - 10:02 PM

Illuyankas;186996 said:

If they'd killed Sirryn, they wouldn't have found the entrance, and many more Malazan lives would have been lost. Which would have sucked.

Yes I understand that, but they would still have found the tunnel even if Sirryn hadn't killed Trull. Correct?

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#144 Illuyankas

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Posted 20 May 2007 - 10:26 PM

Maybe. If they hadn't seen the entrance, they may have gone straight past it without waiting for Sirryn to lead them to it, leaving the soldier and later the 12th to leave before the marines spotted them, and leaving Sirryn dead.

#145 Gem Windcaster

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Posted 20 May 2007 - 11:37 PM

Okay, the way I see it, Trull's death has more to do with the marines killing Sirryn or not - at least at first glance - and not as much to do with the tunnel finding, although the fact that they found the tunnel is a cause of them not killing Sirryn. However, it's safe to say it's hard to know what would have happened to Trull if they had killed Sirryn. One could argue that the Errant used whatever tool he found at the moment, letting Sirryn enter the arena at the exact moment when Trull was the most vulnerable and at an angle where he could go right behind Trull without stepping through shadows. One could also argue that the Errant could have used anyone else, not just Sirryn, but the whole killing Trull at that exact moment might have been difficult to produce without Sirryn. It's probable that the Errant had been nudging Sirryn for a long time, maybe months. Ofcourse, that's not possible to know.

Now you think I am overanalyzing, but isn't that what you're doing if you connect one event with another like that? And yes I realize they are somewhat related, but the actual tunnel finding is not directly connected to Trull's death. However I am narrowing down the arguments to this statement: without one event you cannot have the other. But is this really true? causality is a tricky thing. But all we have to go by is what actually happened. So I guess one could say the statement is true.

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So light it blows, at lark it goes _
invisible indifferent sight_

#146 vahlar

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Posted 21 May 2007 - 09:33 PM

just finished it yesterday, great book as usual. I don't think I can complain about anything, however I can nitpick a little. I just don't get why he changed Corlo to Corlos when talking about the Crimson Guard mage. if it was just a typo, then someone should have caught it...

#147 Thelomen Toblerone

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Posted 21 May 2007 - 09:50 PM

Could just be a typo, I noticed a few in the book as a whole.

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Posted 21 May 2007 - 09:59 PM

Thelomen Toblerone;187416 said:

Could just be a typo, I noticed a few in the book as a whole.

Ah, but he was consistantly called Corlos. Not typo material, he was mentioned several times.

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#149 Thelomen Toblerone

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Posted 21 May 2007 - 10:18 PM

Another GotMism, then? Just like Orfantal's magical sex change operation.

#150 caladanbrood

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Posted 21 May 2007 - 10:22 PM

Seemingly.

Unless he managed somehow to persuade the entire Letharii Empire that there were two of him

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#151 Thelomen Toblerone

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Posted 21 May 2007 - 10:34 PM

Now that's harnessing Mockra.

#152 Atrate61

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Posted 04 September 2007 - 03:50 PM

Kallor;182640 said:

and though SE explained why Trull had to die, it

I hope I am not going to cause a ruckus here, but Kallor, can you point me in the direction of that particular subject? I would like to read for myself Steve's reasons for the death of such a tragic figure.

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#153 Folken

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Posted 04 September 2007 - 04:07 PM

Never posted as far as I remember. Kallor is a friend SE so as you can guess he knows things lol, but the reason was never posted as far as i know.

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#154 Atrate61

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Posted 04 September 2007 - 04:16 PM

Jen said:

Never posted as far as I remember. Kallor is a friend SE so as you can guess he knows things lol, but the reason was never posted as far as i know.

Thanks for clarifying that, Jen. I don't suppose there's any hope that Kallor would share?

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Posted 04 September 2007 - 05:56 PM

Atrate61;207334 said:

Thanks for clarifying that, Jen. I don't suppose there's any hope that Kallor would share?

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Sorry.

You'll learn...

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#156 Atrate61

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Posted 04 September 2007 - 06:05 PM

polishgenius;207342 said:

PFFFFFFFWAHAHAHHAHAHEHWGAHEHHEEEEEEEEEEEHEHEE!

Sorry.

You'll learn...

>_>

Hmmm. Yes, I believe I am in the process of doing so.

#157 Seed

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 12:16 AM

Hmm coming back on topic, I just had a thought. Perhaps the increasingly erratic behaviour of the Errant can be blamed on the general upheaval going on in the Letheras Empire over this and the previous books, given that the majority of the population at least offer him lip service if not true belief/worship. As time goes on he becomes more err... odd in some of his acts and decisions. Given that the populous would have been praying (or cursing) in his Name with greater feeling and frequency of late due to the overthow of regime and the financial instability perhaps this new spiritual influx as it were is causing deific personality shifts and mood swings.

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#158 Lost Marine

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 03:27 AM

On Quick Ben, he's a Bridgeburner, the BBs have ascended. Could this have had an affect on how powerful he is? Maybe his fight with Iccy made him flex more and he realized how much more capacity he had now. It seems that when every other mage in the series over draws they get wasted bad and from the condition he was in after that he should have been done. I think it's his ascendency kicking in.

As for Trull I think it was sadder because he had lost his entire family, but had just found a new one and didn't even know that he was going to be a father before he got killed.

#159 Mr.Warren

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 06:26 AM

I hope its not gonna be one of those lame things where Trulls Kid grows up to be exactly like him as so to feel we never lost him

I still Blame Seren [or how ever her names spelled] for his death a little, i mean the most depressed character being happy? nah couldn't happen, she had to stay depressed so Trull had to die.

Although fingers crossed he comes back, let this boy dream on that at least

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 10:38 AM

Atrate61;207334 said:

Thanks for clarifying that, Jen. I don't suppose there's any hope that Kallor would share?

Kallor more or less had a tantram when he read the death of Trull.

SE explained that he see's the whole bookseries as a kind of greek tragedy (or something like that) So basically Trull HAD to die. SE is not a man that believes in happy endings