[Primateus]

I thought they were all crap. In fact, I haven't enjoyed much that has come out of DC the last couple of years...

[stone monkey]

See?

It's just a matter of personal taste. One could equally say the same (if one had that opinion, of course) about Marvel's output (Secret Invasion put me to sleep, as did House of M and,for the most part Siege). Or any of the output of any entertainment company.

You like what you like, if you don't like it then why the hell would you read it?

This post has been edited by stone monkey: 11 September 2010 - 01:53 PM

[Primateus]

While I'm certainly more of a Marvel man I'll agree that secret invasion wasn't really very good. Siege wasn't that very good either and I much preferred the prelude to House of M, Avengers disassembled.

I did read most of those other series simply because I wanted to see how it ended.

However, Civil War was awesome and Annihilation was even more awesome

[Illuyankas]

Civil War was terrible. Stupid concept, stupid delivery, stupid out of character writing and it led to One More Day which was so bad it physically changed history so that the British Empire floundered and allowed those damn pesky colonials over in America to rule the roost.

Annihilation was fucking awesome, though.

[Primateus]

One more day was horrible, we can both agree on that. And yes, there were certain elements of Civil War that wasn't the best, or even original. But overall, I liked it. I thought the concept was quite okay, delivery was good, not great but not bad either and I wouldn't say it was out of character. Though I resent marvels attempt to explain certain actions in civil war by claiming that they were skrulls.

[Illuyankas]

Not out of character?

I would go into detail about why that's simply not true, but this blast from the past will save time: http://forum.malazan...ndpost&p=178255

[Aptorian]

Okay. I haven't actually read every around Civil war, or Secret Invasion, Annihalation, House M, etc for that matter. I'm way behind on my Marvel reading, but am I the only one thought that Iron Man was in the right and Captain Idealism was in the wrong?

That's one of the reasons why I like the "Ultimates" from the Ultimate universe. While I certainly find the government as it is portrayed in the Ultimates universe appalling, it makes a hell of a lot more sense that the government of a country, the UN or what ever higher council would try to control and/or register active players with super powers. That's what governments do, they govern. You can't just have creatures that can destroy a city center walking around doing their thing freely. That's just plain silly. The way the superheroes exist and interact in the society is a relic from comic book writing in the 50s when technology was limited. Now a days, you can easily track anyone and anything with satellites and DNA evidence, etc. Secret identities are silly. Likewise with people like Forge and Reed Richards and co working for the government you'd think that every larger city and state would have hulk buster type teams ready to deploy and handle any kind of super creature. Hell. There shouldn't even be a police force any longer, just sentinels flying around incinerating purse snatchers.

That's one of the reasons why I loved Ultimate Spiderman so much. The kid kept losing his mask or getting shot up and the government knew exactly who he was, but chose to guide him instead of bringing him in.

[Illuyankas]

Registration - probably the best way forward.

Attacking the best-loved hero in the country for not arresting people BEFORE THE LAW ACTUALLY CAME INTO EFFECT
Throwing heroes who didn't agree to help or provide their identities into AN INTERDIMENSIONAL PRISON WITH LESS RIGHTS THAN THE GUYS IN GUANTANAMO BAY
Forcing criminals to fight for them via behaviour-regulating implants and using them to hunt the heroes who've saved the world dozens of times like rats
CLONING THEIR CLOSE PAL WHO IS AN ACTUAL GOD AND WATCHING IT KILL ANOTHER FRIEND
KEEPING THEIR DETAILS IN A DATABASE GUARDED BY AN AGENCY THAT HAS MORE INFILTRATORS FROM EVIL ORGANISATIONS THAN THE ORIGINAL GROUPS HAVE MEMBERS, BOTH EVIL AND GOOD
MAKING HEROES WITHOUT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PROTECTION TO HIDE BEHIND REVEAL THEIR IDENTITIES TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN BEING SURPRISED WHEN THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS ARE TARGETED
Taking people who don't want to join the military or fight people and just want to use their powers for their own non-profit and completely legal ends and FORCING THEM TO MURDER PEOPLE OR STRIPPING THEM OF THEIR POWERS AND CONDEMNING THEM TO MENTAL HEALTH CARE OR A LIFE WITHOUT LIMBS FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES
HATING THE GUY WHO TRIED TO STOP CRIMINALS WHILE COMPLETELY IGNORING THE GUY WHO ACTUALLY MURDERED ALL THE FUCKING MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN THEY'RE IN UPROAR ABOUT WHILE IGNORING THE INCIDENTS WITH CASUALTIES ORDERS OF MAGNITUDES ABOVE THAT INCIDENT HAPPENING EVERY FORTNIGHT
TARGETTING THE PEOPLE WHO, AND I WANT TO STRESS THIS, HAVE SAVED THE WORLD A BILLION FUCKING TIMES OVER THE YEARS, AND IGNORING THE VILLAINS WHO WON'T REVEAL THEIR IDENTITIES TO THE AGENCY WITH PAPERTHIN SECURITY AND WILL GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT BY THEN

HUNTING HEROES WITH AN ARMY OF CONVICTS AND SLAVES AND THROWING THEM IN A PRISON FOR EVER =/= THE RIGHT WAY FORWARD

This post has been edited by Illuyankas: 11 September 2010 - 08:07 PM

[Aptorian]

Again, I haven't read all of the incidents surrounding the CW, but let try to play the deveils advocate.

Illuyankas, on 11 September 2010 - 08:06 PM, said:

Registration - probably the best way forward.

Attacking the best-loved hero in the country for not arresting people BEFORE THE LAW ACTUALLY CAME INTO EFFECT

Hmm. I'm guessing this is a very specific incident. Can't recall the details. I'm guessing it's what begun the original brake?

Illuyankas, on 11 September 2010 - 08:06 PM, said:

Throwing heroes who didn't agree to help or provide their identities into AN INTERDIMENSIONAL PRISON WITH LESS RIGHTS THAN THE GUYS IN GUANTANAMO BAY

Providing help was not a pre-requisite. You were allowed to stay neutral as far as I recall. But you did have to be registered. That is the crux of the matter. It's like assuming Americas government became suicidal and demanded that every American register their fire arms or give them up (if there was some kind of big black market for super shot guns or something).

Where else were they going to store these people. Super Villains have been breaking out of one super max prison after another for decades. They always get out. So where is the safest place to store them? In a whole different fucking universe. Try going on a crime spree when space time is giving you the finger. This is especially true for the crazy powerful or destructive types.

Illuyankas, on 11 September 2010 - 08:06 PM, said:

Forcing criminals to fight for them via behaviour-regulating implants and using them to hunt the heroes who've saved the world dozens of times like rats

Well. The heroes didn't want to play. Making new Super Heroes/Soldiers is messy, time consuming, hella expensive and always goes horribly wrong. Easier to just deputise the muscle you already have in storage. It's economically sound.

Also, you wont have to worry about your hired super muscle going soft and helping the rebels.

And please the people they employed where massmurdering psychopaths. They have no rights, they should have been wiped off the face of the earth long before.

Illuyankas, on 11 September 2010 - 08:06 PM, said:

CLONING THEIR CLOSE PAL WHO IS AN ACTUAL GOD AND WATCHING IT KILL ANOTHER FRIEND

This was an act of desperation, no? They didn't have any one on the Governments side who was an Omega(?) level power player, perhaps with the exception of Iron Man himself. They were trying to build the Atom Bomb of the super hero war. It worked spectacularly well actually (You can always make more Gigantor Superheroes)

EDIT: Yes I realise that Sentry was technically the SUPER POWER of the government but the guy isn't exactly stable now is he. "Hey Sentry, Galactus is eating New York". "Meh, I feel depressed I just want to eat cookie doe and watch MASH."

Illuyankas, on 11 September 2010 - 08:06 PM, said:

KEEPING THEIR DETAILS IN A DATABASE GUARDED BY AN AGENCY THAT HAS MORE INFILTRATORS FROM EVIL ORGANISATIONS THAN THE ORIGINAL GROUPS HAVE MEMBERS, BOTH EVIL AND GOOD

Well, where else are you going to keep your secrets. Oh right, in the Negative Zone.

I agree that this was one of the biggest issues, but honestly, like I mentioned above, secret identities in a world that has Star Trek technology and telepaths all over the place is just plain silly. If one of those big bads really wanted to come after someone they could easily find out who their secret identity was with out needing to steal it from the Government. Plenty of people managed to figure out Spidermans identity. They just luckily keep either dying or geting brain damage.

Illuyankas, on 11 September 2010 - 08:06 PM, said:

MAKING HEROES WITHOUT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PROTECTION TO HIDE BEHIND REVEAL THEIR IDENTITIES TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN BEING SURPRISED WHEN THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS ARE TARGETED

THIS IS WAR. CAN'T MAKE AN ORWELLIAN SUPER HERO SOCIETY WITH OUT BREAKING SOME FAMILY MEMBERS. WHO NEEDS FAMILY ANYWAY. LOOK AT BATMAN. HE'S DOING BETTER THAN EVER.

Illuyankas, on 11 September 2010 - 08:06 PM, said:

Taking people who don't want to join the military or fight people and just want to use their powers for their own non-profit and completely legal ends and FORCING THEM TO MURDER PEOPLE OR STRIPPING THEM OF THEIR POWERS AND CONDEMNING THEM TO MENTAL HEALTH CARE OR A LIFE WITHOUT LIMBS FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES
HATING THE GUY WHO TRIED TO STOP CRIMINALS WHILE COMPLETELY IGNORING THE GUY WHO ACTUALLY MURDERED ALL THE FUCKING MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN THEY'RE IN UPROAR ABOUT WHILE IGNORING THE INCIDENTS WITH CASUALTIES ORDERS OF MAGNITUDES ABOVE THAT INCIDENT HAPPENING EVERY FORTNIGHT
TARGETTING THE PEOPLE WHO, AND I WANT TO STRESS THIS, HAVE SAVED THE WORLD A BILLION FUCKING TIMES OVER THE YEARS, AND IGNORING THE VILLAINS WHO WON'T REVEAL THEIR IDENTITIES TO THE AGENCY WITH PAPERTHIN SECURITY AND WILL GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT BY THEN

HUNTING HEROES WITH AN ARMY OF CONVICTS AND SLAVES AND THROWING THEM IN A PRISON FOR EVER =/= THE RIGHT WAY FORWARD

All of this is actually something I loved. Marvel Comics has ushered in what is probably the darkest time in the Marvel Universes history (therefore the name Dark Reign). The point is that bad people, greedy people, power hungry people are exploiting the public, the media, the heroes that are supposed to stand for everything that is good. It's easy to see the metaphors for post 9/11 America there and some fingers pointed at the Bush Government.

There has always been this discrepancy is the way the world is put together and the way the heroes are treated. Mutants are treated like pre-WW2 jews. Spiderman and Daredevil are treated like criminals because they wear a mask. The Hulk is hunted as a Monster because the military is evil or something like that. This is what Marvel has always done, shown good guys weathering the bad odds, striving to do good in an evil world, helping the people that hate them, etc.

Dark Reign is nothing new really, it's just ramping up the injustice. Personally I like seeing the heroes on their heels, fighting among each other and seeing the bad guys shine. I absolutely love Osbourne and his Thunderbolts.

This post has been edited by Aptorian: 11 September 2010 - 09:42 PM

[Illuyankas]

MULTI QUOTE HOOOOOOOOO

Aptorian, on 11 September 2010 - 09:38 PM, said:

Again, I haven't read all of the incidents surrounding the CW, but let try to play the deveils advocate.

Illuyankas, on 11 September 2010 - 08:06 PM, said:

Registration - probably the best way forward.

Attacking the best-loved hero in the country for not arresting people BEFORE THE LAW ACTUALLY CAME INTO EFFECT

Hmm. I'm guessing this is a very specific incident. Can't recall the details. I'm guessing it's what begun the original brake?

Maria Hill, Nick Fury's secretary who's in way over her head director of SHIELD orders Captain America to arrest some heroes who are talking about the registration act a few days before it comes into effect. He refuses, and she pulls guns on him. He's refusing to do an illegal act and she tries to arrest him. It's stupid writing.

Aptorian, on 11 September 2010 - 09:38 PM, said:

Illuyankas, on 11 September 2010 - 08:06 PM, said:

Throwing heroes who didn't agree to help or provide their identities into AN INTERDIMENSIONAL PRISON WITH LESS RIGHTS THAN THE GUYS IN GUANTANAMO BAY

Providing help was not a pre-requisite. You were allowed to stay neutral as far as I recall. But you did have to be registered. That is the crux of the matter. It's like assuming Americas government became suicidal and demanded that every American register their fire arms or give them up (if there was some kind of big black market for super shot guns or something).

Where else were they going to store these people. Super Villains have been breaking out of one super max prison after another for decades. They always get out. So where is the safest place to store them? In a whole different fucking universe. Try going on a crime spree when space time is giving you the finger. This is especially true for the crazy powerful or destructive types.

The only neutral thing allowed was to give up on being a superhero in the first place. The choices are 1. Register and hunt your friends while having your identity on the easiest datebase to access in the world, 2. Give up being a superhero and ignore all the supervillains going around not giving a shit and exploiting the distracted superheroes and 3. Rot in jail for the rest of your life. There's a scene where Stark and Richards take Parker around 52 and show off what they're doing, and there are dozens of heroes who refused to register - their identities were known, they just refused to work with the pro-reg guys - and are basically tortured the entire time they're there until they agree to register, with no relief, no lawyers and no rights. And they only had the little guys there, the big shots? The guys who actually need sticking in the Negative Zone? They're too powerful to be caught and sent over in the first place! I mean, they stuck Daredevil in there. Daredevil! His superpower is superhearing! Any normal prison is perfectly fine, there's been story arcs about him staying in Reikers or whatever it's called!

Aptorian, on 11 September 2010 - 09:38 PM, said:

Illuyankas, on 11 September 2010 - 08:06 PM, said:

Forcing criminals to fight for them via behaviour-regulating implants and using them to hunt the heroes who've saved the world dozens of times like rats

Well. The heroes didn't want to play. Making new Super Heroes/Soldiers is messy, time consuming, hella expensive and always goes horribly wrong. Easier to just deputise the muscle you already have in storage. It's economically sound.

Also, you wont have to worry about your hired super muscle going soft and helping the rebels.

And please the people they employed where massmurdering psychopaths. They have no rights, they should have been wiped off the face of the earth long before.

That's EXACTLY the kind of people who you want near civilians! Also sending the villains who murdered close relatives of the people who saved the planet 5x10 to the 18 times to hunt them down is just an extra special fuck you to them.

Aptorian, on 11 September 2010 - 09:38 PM, said:

Illuyankas, on 11 September 2010 - 08:06 PM, said:

CLONING THEIR CLOSE PAL WHO IS AN ACTUAL GOD AND WATCHING IT KILL ANOTHER FRIEND

This was an act of desperation, no? They didn't have any one on the Governments side who was an Omega(?) level power player, perhaps with the exception of Iron Man himself. They were trying to build the Atom Bomb of the super hero war. It worked spectacularly well actually (You can always make more Gigantor Superheroes)

EDIT: Yes I realise that Sentry was technically the SUPER POWER of the government but the guy isn't exactly stable now is he. "Hey Sentry, Galactus is eating New York". "Meh, I feel depressed I just want to eat cookie doe and watch MASH."

So making a mindcontrolled clone of one of your best friends without his permission and continuing to use it after it kills someone is ok as long as they need it for a pointless cause?

Aptorian, on 11 September 2010 - 09:38 PM, said:

Illuyankas, on 11 September 2010 - 08:06 PM, said:

KEEPING THEIR DETAILS IN A DATABASE GUARDED BY AN AGENCY THAT HAS MORE INFILTRATORS FROM EVIL ORGANISATIONS THAN THE ORIGINAL GROUPS HAVE MEMBERS, BOTH EVIL AND GOOD

Well, where else are you going to keep your secrets. Oh right, in the Negative Zone.

I agree that this was one of the biggest issues, but honestly, like I mentioned above, secret identities in a world that has Star Trek technology and telepaths all over the place is just plain silly. If one of those big bads really wanted to come after someone they could easily find out who their secret identity was with out needing to steal it from the Government. Plenty of people managed to figure out Spidermans identity. They just luckily keep either dying or geting brain damage.

"Their technobabble is countered by our technobabble so no-one knows anyone's identity!"

Aptorian, on 11 September 2010 - 09:38 PM, said:

Illuyankas, on 11 September 2010 - 08:06 PM, said:

MAKING HEROES WITHOUT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PROTECTION TO HIDE BEHIND REVEAL THEIR IDENTITIES TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN BEING SURPRISED WHEN THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS ARE TARGETED

THIS IS WAR. CAN'T MAKE AN ORWELLIAN SUPER HERO SOCIETY WITH OUT BREAKING SOME FAMILY MEMBERS. WHO NEEDS FAMILY ANYWAY. LOOK AT BATMAN. HE'S DOING BETTER THAN EVER.

GET OUT OF HERE QUESADA (OR IS IT DIDIO, I CAN NEVER TELL THOSE TWO DEVILS APART)

Aptorian, on 11 September 2010 - 09:38 PM, said:

Illuyankas, on 11 September 2010 - 08:06 PM, said:

Taking people who don't want to join the military or fight people and just want to use their powers for their own non-profit and completely legal ends and FORCING THEM TO MURDER PEOPLE OR STRIPPING THEM OF THEIR POWERS AND CONDEMNING THEM TO MENTAL HEALTH CARE OR A LIFE WITHOUT LIMBS FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES
HATING THE GUY WHO TRIED TO STOP CRIMINALS WHILE COMPLETELY IGNORING THE GUY WHO ACTUALLY MURDERED ALL THE FUCKING MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN THEY'RE IN UPROAR ABOUT WHILE IGNORING THE INCIDENTS WITH CASUALTIES ORDERS OF MAGNITUDES ABOVE THAT INCIDENT HAPPENING EVERY FORTNIGHT
TARGETTING THE PEOPLE WHO, AND I WANT TO STRESS THIS, HAVE SAVED THE WORLD A BILLION FUCKING TIMES OVER THE YEARS, AND IGNORING THE VILLAINS WHO WON'T REVEAL THEIR IDENTITIES TO THE AGENCY WITH PAPERTHIN SECURITY AND WILL GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT BY THEN

HUNTING HEROES WITH AN ARMY OF CONVICTS AND SLAVES AND THROWING THEM IN A PRISON FOR EVER =/= THE RIGHT WAY FORWARD

All of this is actually something I loved. Marvel Comics has ushered in what is probably the darkest time in the Marvel Universes history (therefore the name Dark Reign). The point is that bad people, greedy people, power hungry people are exploiting the public, the media, the heroes that are supposed to stand for everything that is good. It's easy to see the metaphors for post 9/11 America there and some fingers pointed at the Bush Government.

There has always been this discrepancy is the way the world is put together and the way the heroes are treated. Mutants are treated like pre-WW2 jews. Spiderman and Daredevil are treated like criminals because they wear a mask. The Hulk is hunted as a Monster because the military is evil or something like that. This is what Marvel has always done, shown good guys weathering the bad odds, striving to do good in an evil world, helping the people that hate them, etc.

Dark Reign is nothing new really, it's just ramping up the injustice. Personally I like seeing the heroes on their heels, fighting among each other and seeing the bad guys shine. I absolutely love Osbourne and his Thunderbolts.

To be honest, this is one of the really big sticking points I have with the Marvel universe. To keep doing the same stories they've done since the 40s, the entire civilian population of Marvel Land have to be hateful idiotic racist subhuman scum that genuinely don't deserve to be saved over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, in the public eye, by the same heroes that they spit on in the street. Also Reed Richards is the devil. No, really.

And yes, Osborn and Dark Reign was pretty fucking awesome (stupid unstoppable Superman analogue being taken out by something Iron Fist punched in half aside).

This post has been edited by Illuyankas: 11 September 2010 - 10:35 PM

[Abyss]

Illuyankas, on 11 September 2010 - 04:57 PM, said:

...Annihilation was fucking awesome, though.

Skipping over all the 'I'm with Forbush-Man' nonsense to jump to the better point, which is that ANNIHILATION was in fact fucking awesome, and CONQUEST wasn't bad as a follow up.

The Marvel space series have suffered a bit for having to be tied to Secret Invasion and Civil Wars and other earth-related silliness but otherwise NOVA, GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY and much of the related work has been on fire laterly.

[McLovin]

I got the hardbound omnibus edition of STAR WARS: THE THRAWN TRILOGY comic series.

Though I will be burned as a heretic, I gotta say in comic form you kinda immediately see just how weak those books were.

[QuickTidal]

Okay, what is everybody's list for ongoing titles they read?

BRIGHTEST DAY - Geoff Johns is the man, and this event hasn't let me down. Much better than 52.

GREEN LANTERN - Geoff Johns (nuff said.)

SUPERGIRL - I miss Puckett's early run, but Gates is still doing a formidable job with the refurbished Kara Jor-El, currently with Bizzaro Supergirl.

POWER GIRL - Judd Winick (I've been following Winick's stuff since he (years ago) helped to create and write the first like 30 issues if Marvel's EXILES which was such a blast of a series then he moved on over to DC) POWER GIRL (Kara Zor-El from Earth 2 (Crisis stuff) who eventually ended up in our world and the Justice Society Europe) is actually such a great fallible character, she has real world problems and that's odd for a Kryptonian and I like it.

SUPERMAN BATMAN - Also currently being written by Winick, and I am still a sucker for this series, as I love the Supes/Bats team up.

BATMAN & ROBIN - Grant Morrison. Last, but certainly not least is this title which, like AllStar Superman before it makes me SO glad that Morrison is still writing comics. the man produces gold man, gold. I only wish Frank Quitely was still doing the inside art and not just the cover, cause the man is awesome.

As far as the Marvel universe is concerned....I am only awaiting the re-tooling of RUNAWAYS, as that was my fave series for Marvel and it went on hiatus...again...F**** you Joe Quesada.

[Abyss]

McLovin, on 19 September 2010 - 11:51 AM, said:

I got the hardbound omnibus edition of STAR WARS: THE THRAWN TRILOGY comic series.

Though I will be burned as a heretic, I gotta say in comic form you kinda immediately see just how weak those books were.

The Thrawn tril was fun because at the time it was written post RotJ, Star Wars lit was limitted to the weak and fairly icky for having Luke and Leia make out Splinter of the Mind's Eye (admittedly written before RotJ) and the entirely middling Truce at Bakura. The Thrawn series actually used the classic characters relatively well. That said, the comic took a lot of the fun out of it because the series was way better in my head.

Just finished LoEG: The Black Dossier. Wow that sucked. There are a few good bits in there but otherwise... feh.


I must needs drop in this link http://www.newsarama...idw-100916.html

...because the author namedrops SE, amongst others.

[McLovin]

Abyss, on 20 September 2010 - 02:18 PM, said:

The Thrawn tril was fun because at the time it was written post RotJ <snip>

Yeah, I was 18-19 at the time so I remember the excitement when these came out. And His Grand Admiralness remains probably the most awesome SW villain besides Darth Vader (pre-whiny-douchey-Anakin-Skywalker-prequels). But those books established a lot of what I hate about the Expanded Universe.

[Primateus]

McLovin, on 19 September 2010 - 11:51 AM, said:

I got the hardbound omnibus edition of STAR WARS: THE THRAWN TRILOGY comic series.

Though I will be burned as a heretic, I gotta say in comic form you kinda immediately see just how weak those books were.

Here, I'll do it for you. The Thrawn trilogy sucks monkeyass!

Bring it on with the spanish inquisition

[Primateus]

QuickTidal, on 19 September 2010 - 12:38 PM, said:

F**** you Joe Quesada.

A little quick trivia. This other forum I used to frequent (I stopped about 18 months ago because it stopped being fun) we called Joe Quesada the "Donkey-fucker" because he ruined so many good books.

There was also this cliché we had, let's see if I can remember it right...

Yeah..."You too JQ, you too!" something like that whenever someone was being a major f**ktard.

yes, that is all.

Oh, by the way, y'all should check out the Black Library's Kal Jerico. okay stuff with good humour.

[McLovin]

Primateus, on 22 September 2010 - 08:00 PM, said:

Here, I'll do it for you. The Thrawn trilogy sucks monkeyass!

Bring it on with the spanish inquisition

[RodeoRanch]

Ha, "Crisis on Infinite Earths" was truly terrible. An interesting peek into comic history.

[McLovin]

Well, it was just written in response to Marvel's Secret Wars. Which also was dumb.