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Is she the same one that Karsa beds? I'm to lazy to reread HOC and find the passage.
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Posted 13 November 2006 - 12:47 AM
No Ganath mentioned in the Dramatis Personae - that's the quickest way to check 
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Posted 13 November 2006 - 12:58 AM
Nope. It was Aramilla or something similar. Ara-something.
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Posted 13 November 2006 - 09:22 AM
Especially since, if I'm not completely wrong, Ganoes encounters Ganath just as she's shrugged of her hibernation to check what has broken her wards. She's completely ignorant of the Continent and peoples around her.
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Posted 14 November 2006 - 06:36 PM
Ganath is the one who helps him release the Deragoth, right?
*is planning a reread of the whole series*
*is planning a reread of the whole series*
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Posted 14 November 2006 - 08:06 PM
Yes Ganath only appears in BH and given her fate wont appear again. The one KArsa slept with (although i didnt think he did the first time i read it.) was aramala. The other one was cynigig. Very confusing all these jaghut turning up despite being extinct
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Posted 14 November 2006 - 09:46 PM
Indeed. A Species should know when they are extinct. 
Which one was the one in the tree then?
Which one was the one in the tree then?
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Posted 14 November 2006 - 09:48 PM
Phyrillis, or something. Damn Jaghut names.
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Posted 15 November 2006 - 07:53 PM
I have a question about Ganath, this seems like an appropriate place to ask:
When she first escapes from her prison and meets Paran, she doesn't even know what humans are.
Then later, just before she parts ways with Paran, she says
How can this be - at first Ganath did not know what race Paran was, let alone where human cities would be, and suddenly she knows a lot about history she was previously ignorant of.
Just a minor inconsistency?
When she first escapes from her prison and meets Paran, she doesn't even know what humans are.
BH, on page 325, said:
"What manner of creature are you?"
- Ganath to Paran
- Ganath to Paran
Then later, just before she parts ways with Paran, she says
BH, on page 449, said:
"This valley leads west to Raraku sea, beyond the inside range; and east, through a little-used pass, down to the city of G'danisban." She hesitated, then added, "it has been a long time since I have been this far east...this close to cities of your kind."
How can this be - at first Ganath did not know what race Paran was, let alone where human cities would be, and suddenly she knows a lot about history she was previously ignorant of.
Just a minor inconsistency?
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Posted 15 November 2006 - 10:35 PM
Dolorous Menhir;135191 said:
I have a question about Ganath, this seems like an appropriate place to ask:
When she first escapes from her prison and meets Paran, she doesn't even know what humans are.
Then later, just before she parts ways with Paran, she says
How can this be - at first Ganath did not know what race Paran was, let alone where human cities would be, and suddenly she knows a lot about history she was previously ignorant of.
Just a minor inconsistency?
When she first escapes from her prison and meets Paran, she doesn't even know what humans are.
Then later, just before she parts ways with Paran, she says
How can this be - at first Ganath did not know what race Paran was, let alone where human cities would be, and suddenly she knows a lot about history she was previously ignorant of.
Just a minor inconsistency?
I don't remember all their conversations, but couldn't it be that a very old an very intelligent being like a Jaghut, quickly realises the connection between Imass and Human and maybe even Eres'al?
I don't remember if there's supposed to have been big settlements of Imass on 7C, but the Beast throne was once there.
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Posted 15 November 2006 - 11:55 PM
Ganath could immediately see that Paran, a human, was an Imass descendent. Since he spoke and looked like a taller, thinner Imass. But still, she was totally ignorant of the human race - she had been imprisoned for longer than it had existed.
That's quite an impediment to deducing the name and position of human cities - which are not the same as older human cities on Seven Cities, let alone Imass cities from even further in the past. So it doesn't make any sense that Ganath could not know what humans are, and then later refer to visiting human cities in the distant past.
That's quite an impediment to deducing the name and position of human cities - which are not the same as older human cities on Seven Cities, let alone Imass cities from even further in the past. So it doesn't make any sense that Ganath could not know what humans are, and then later refer to visiting human cities in the distant past.
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Posted 16 November 2006 - 09:08 AM
Or meaby it is just that the Human city was build over a old Imass city, and by "your kind" ganath means T'lan Imass
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I have burned the town of Trebon
I have spent the night with Felurian and left with both my sanity and my life
I was expelled from the University at a younger age most people are allowed in
I tread paths by moonlight that others fear to speak of during the day
I have talked to Gods, loved women, and written songs that make minstrels cry
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Posted 17 November 2006 - 11:15 PM
she doesnt actually say that she had been imprisoned since the human race evolved. maybe she just didnt recognise him as human at first. being imprisoned is probably not good for your memory?
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Posted 18 November 2006 - 12:21 AM
Urko Crust;136014 said:
she doesnt actually say that she had been imprisoned since the human race evolved. maybe she just didnt recognise him as human at first. being imprisoned is probably not good for your memory?
So she didn't say she had been imprisoned that long. She didn't have to, it was pretty heavily implied by her not actually knowing what a human was, no? I don't believe that she just "forgot" what humans were for a bit. Jaghut don't seem to be unconscious or at rest in such prisons (well, Raest was, but Ganath managed to break out on her own whereas he couldn't, so I think she was under a different type of imprisonment).
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Posted 18 November 2006 - 11:52 AM
Just thought I'd ask because she's mentioned somewhere else as well, can't remember where tho.
Also she mention the other 2 Jaghut, Phyillis and cyrinnig or whatever their names are.
Also she mention the other 2 Jaghut, Phyillis and cyrinnig or whatever their names are.
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Posted 18 November 2006 - 12:28 PM
If you are talking about Ganath, Jimmy, before we see her in the main story of BH there's a chapter heading about her and two other Jaghut.
It was at the start of Chapter 8, page 321, and the other two Jaghut were Sarkanos & Ivindonos. They exchanged a few profundities on a battlefield, and that was about it.
I don't remember Ganath mentioning Phyrllis & Cynnigig after she meets Paran though.
It was at the start of Chapter 8, page 321, and the other two Jaghut were Sarkanos & Ivindonos. They exchanged a few profundities on a battlefield, and that was about it.
I don't remember Ganath mentioning Phyrllis & Cynnigig after she meets Paran though.
