[Optimus Prime]

How'd you get such a low rep so quickly?

It's interesting that extinction events gave rise to our own species, and ended the Dinosaur's reign...i wonder what the Dino's would've evolved into 65 million years later....

[Dolorous Menhir]

Xander;269473 said:

How'd you get such a low rep so quickly?

It's interesting that extinction events gave rise to our own species, and ended the Dinosaur's reign...i wonder what the Dino's would've evolved into 65 million years later....

I gave Tsaritsa negative rep because he/she earned it. I don't like intellectually dishonest arguments.

I would give further negative response for their next response, which I would summarise as

Tsaritsa;269131 said:

I have a poorly informed and frankly misguided appreciation of this subject. And all the fancy scientific words you've got aren't going to change it. Could I be any more annoying?

but the system prevents me from giving rep to an individual twice in a row.

Cue accusations of hypocrisy.

[Goaswerfraiejen]

I find it difficult to make it past the point where the "creationist bogeyman" (after all, not all creationists are like this guy, nor should we assume that the boundaries between creation and science are rigid) said "science allows you to make predictions. I base my predictions on the fact that the earth was created 6000 years ago. Therefore, given this premise (6000 years), humans will show evidence of intelligence." That's number two on his fancy powerpoint presentation, and already he fails elementary logic.

I've glanced through the pages, and most of what can be said has already been said. I just want to add that I recently attended an undergraduate conference and had the opportunity to speak with someone writing her thesis on this very subject. This gave me the opportunity to verify--with someone who's done more research on the subject than I have--that the whole characterisation of "creationism" as opposed to "evolution" is a phenomenon largely confined to the United States; you don't find it in Canada, nor do you find it in Europe or the rest of the "Western" world. That in itself, I think, is both interesting and worth a much closer look.


On an entirely different note: why does the creation-guy get "Dr." in front of his name when a number of his opponents also hold doctorates from known universities? I'd actually be interested in reading the guy's dissertation, although I gather it's from a hack "university". Anybody know where to find it?

[Cold Iron]

kud13;269343 said:

heh... it's not so much about "being right"
My church has played a defining role in my national history. in my Church, they say the mass in my native language, and nor English, or Russian, or Church Slavonic. The prayers in my church include my country first and foremost, not US, not Russia, nor anyone else.
Yes, im a nationalist. Yes, to me, my country is the most important/special. I don't take it to extremes, as some would, but it's there. Since My church is an integral part of my country and its history, the choice matters to me. On a whole different level.

damn, this is turning into a major derailment... back on topic.....

..... damn, we seem to have covered everything here...

Good point, it's not so much about being right as being included. I understand that.

Xander;269345 said:

Not saying I don't believe you.....but I don't believe you.

I'm not saying you don't like to argue...but on the issues you truly care about and believe in...I'm calling bullshit.

I like learning new things as well. That's really a separate issue.

For someone like me, who has an opinion on everything, the only way for me to learn is to be proved wrong

Tsaritsa;269472 said:

PS:I know very well what Theory means in the scientific world thank you very much

You're not going to get very far if you dismiss all scientific theories as "only a theory"

[Optimus Prime]

@Cold Iron, that really doesn't make any sense.....but whatever. No human being who has ever existed has loved to be proven wrong...ever.....

[Illuyankas]

Xander;269996 said:

@Cold Iron, that really doesn't make any sense.....but whatever. No human being who has ever existed has loved to be proven wrong...ever.....

"I don't believe that we'll ever cure this nefarious disease. I wish it were otherwise, but mankind will just have to live with the foul scourge of smallpox."

[Optimus Prime]

Hehe, touche. Though that's not what I meant and you know it, chicken

[D Man]

Xander;269335 said:

You have to admit that being proven wrong isn't exactly fun. I've never met someone who likes to be proven wrong.

I think the more youre wrong, the more right you are after time.

Being wrong is part of learning.

Its good.

And how'd a troll (Tsaritsa) get in my thread?? :eek:

[Dancer+]

Brood, stop having fun telling people fun isn't allowed.

It's now our job to prove CI wrong at most opportunities, my next question is would he know if he was wrong if he was? Or would he cling onto his opinion like a pit bull?

[Hume]

I wish Potsherds was still here

[Optimus Prime]

I just had an argument today at work with a tried and true Creationist. It was interesting. He just kept yelling, "God can do anything! It doesn't have to make sense!".

I couldn't take it serious after that...man I'm too drunk to post.

[Imperial Historian]

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Brood, stop having fun telling people fun isn't allowed.

It isn't on the discussion board.

Keep on topic please :calot:

[Gothos]

Tsaritsa;269131 said:

I was merely adding fuel to the fire with that quote.

you didn't have anything to say so you just followed a quote from someone else. bravo.

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No one can deny the existence of evolution. It is a fact. Life forms do evolve, either to a better state..or as humans have shown to a worse state

I don't think you really grasp what evolution stands for. it is adapting to your enviroment. humans have taken it even further, as we're adapting our enviroment to our needs. I'd say that's the peak of adaptation.

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However to suggest that life on earth was formed via the theories of evolution and I repeat “theories� is all together absurd.

the "theory" about an invisible man watching every move we make is just as, if not more, absurd. wanna play like that?

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The absolute delicate balance in which every life form exists is not a balance which can be stuck randomly..you can throw never ending scientific technical lingo at me all you like

again you're not grasping what evolution does. the existance and structure of life exists in it's current form because it adapted to the enviroment it was in. life adjusts itself to it's surroundings, it's not a special, stiff set of code that's only going to spark in certain, predefined enviroments. therefore life exists like it does on Earth because it's the best way it can exist here. I'm pretty sure that different forms of life, even based on different elements and chemistry, would evolve in different enviroments.

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Bottom line is …and this bottom line which is mostly ignored is that the evolution theory is just that..a theory

one that has at least some brain behind it. religions are theories that have no brains behind them. maybe except putting astronomy into cute memorable words.

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Science however at this point in time of our collective evolution cannot prove that life on Earth was initiated via a series of random occurrences

it can't? oh and there I thought there were numerous evidence found that a process at least resembling evolution took place, and that there was proof of organic structures manifesting themselves from inorganic origins... oh poor misguided me!
can you disprove it then?

[Tsaritsa]

Gothos

obviously you need to brush up on what evolution is yourself

~yawn~

[Optimus Prime]

This argument seems to get people fired up, I loves it

[Hume]

Tsaritsa;271019 said:

Gothos

obviously you need to brush up on what evolution is yourself

~yawn~

In order to constructively argue back you need to point out exactly what it is that Gothos has got wrong with his bit on evolution.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Tsaritsa;271019 said:

Gothos

obviously you need to brush up on what evolution is yourself

~yawn~

Gather round, boys and girls. It's time to play "Spot the troll!"

Can you see it?

[Optimus Prime]

Tsaritsa;271019 said:

Gothos

obviously you need to brush up on what evolution is yourself

~yawn~

Evolution is a process that results in heritable changes in a population spread over many generations.

How does that sound?

[RodeoRanch]

Please keep on topic. Posts irrelevant to the discussion will continue to be deleted.

[Gothos]

lol. just... lol. double standards ftw.

now if I can FINALLY get this through the the small-penis-complex moderator...
can you please rule out, even point by point in the much despised "QUOTE WARZ" format, point out where I am wrong, Tsaritsa? I'm sure creationists all around the world are being annoyed by your poor representation of their standpoint.