[Obdigore]

I do not 'know'.. But I would ASSUME all those in the Deadhouses that were not dead when arriving will be back... Kalam and Rallick... and Rallick's guildmaster (who was a high wizard) who's name escapes me.

[Lister of Smeg]

That would be Vorcan.

I assume they will make a reappearance at some stage, probably when Paran decides he might need them.

[GardenGnome]

Or for Toll of the Hounds (isn't it?), which is placed in Darujhistan...

[Obdigore]

Garden... yes
LB... yes

[Sir Thursday]

I thought it was ST and Cotillion who were collecting assassins for their own Shadowy (pun intended ) purposes? They now have Rallick Nom, Vorcan, Kalam and possibly Topper in the Azath houses, which I believe they can enter at will...while they might wheel them out in Toll the Hounds (probably not Reaper's Gale as there is no functioning Azath house there...) they could do it at any other time or place as they can transport their assassins to wherever they see fit via the Azath portals.


Sir Thursday

[Obdigore]

OK, that is a reasonable theory Thurs, except one thing... Topper?

I thought the hint that he was 'lost in the imperial warren' meant he ran into those moonspawn's and got choppy-chopped...

[Sir Thursday]

Topper just disappeared...as a high ranking member of the empire it would be known that he uses the Imperial Warren a lot to speed up movement...and I don't see why he would be killed off by the KCNR...they didn't seem to do anything when Kalam and co. went to investigate...

We do know that ST and Cotillion are active in the Imperial Warren, as evidenced by the same scene in which Kalam is given a hand by the Rope. Plus, they seem to have had the opportunity to collect the dying assassins from the Azath houses - we know of very few other 'players' who can use the portals at will. Cotillion, in his capacity as Patron of Assassins, could well be building his own private army...

It's mostly speculation, but I think it is an interesting theory.

Sir Thursday

[Obdigore]

actually, under Thursday's theory, Topper would be in an Azath.... however *I* think that the azath houses attempt to take anyone who is must more powerfull than normal, and in SE's world, the more you kill individually, the more powerfull you become... so assassins would, on general principle (using obdigore logic here...) be generally more powerfull than the average person... and therefor be a delicious treat for Azath's everywhere.

[Dolorous Menhir]

I don't see why people are attributing Rallick Nom & Vorcan's Azath imprisonment to Shadowthrone & Cotillion. They were non-Empire citizens in a non-Empire city, all unrelated to Shadow, entering a new Azath - just that hour created.

Cotillion says the Shadow pair sought to control the Azath and failed. Rallick Nom was permitted to enter the Finnest House - but only by the will of that House. I don't think it had anything to do with ST.

Ok, we saw Shadowthrone take Kalam into the Deadhouse, but that doesn't mean he was behind Nom & Vorcan being in stasis. He had no influence over that, save a potential standing order to Azaths to hold any available assassins who might enter. I don't believe he is capable of issuing such an order.

[tjc52]

About Topper, hadn't thought about him possibly being in an azath before, but it does make a kind of sense. Afterall, he went missing in the Imperial Warren, and when Kalam calls on Cotillion for help when he's climbing the Sky Keeps, he comments that Cotillion arrived very fast, as though he was nearby.

Add to that, that Cotillion/ST asked Apsalar to assassinate Pearl, and maybe Cotillion killed Topper, rather than kidnapped him. They do seem to have it in for the Claw. Somewhat understandably.

[Folken]

The possibility that Rallick will make an apperance again in the series, is well pretty slim in my opinion. But if he is to return I believe Toll the Hounds would be the best possibility for him to do so, as we're going back to Darujhistan in that novel.

As for ST and Rallick...I doubt ST has any links to him. Rallick was taken by the Azath, it will be up to the Azath to decide what to do with him.

[Agraba]

Obdigore;115497 said:

in SE's world, the more you kill individually, the more powerfull you become...

Er... where'd you get this?

As for Rallick, as far as I know, he's just in some sleepy-coma thing in the azath house; it didn't actually capture him as it would an incredibly powerful entity that's a threat to the world. So Rallick and Vorcan will likely be able to walk out freely when they awake. Just like Paran. Not like Raest.

[Hume]

Without a Doubt I think Rallick will make a Return with Vorcan as well as Rallicks Cousin Torvald !

And I dont think ST and The Rope will have or do have any connection to Rallick and Vorcan. Maybe Paran might.

Just my opnion. Its pure speculation as everything else in this thread no doubt is.

[Coldnight]

It seems that Azath Houses like assasins. They just let them in, when they're wounded and in need for help. Rallick Nom opened the door by himself. I don't think ST has any power over this but he knows about it, and intends to use it. We don't know the reason he took Kalam into Deadhouse. I think that ST knows what will awake this 'collection'.
And you all forgot that Dassem's daughter also seems to be among the sleeping assasins .

[Aptorian]

Actually Kalams fait seemed strange to me. Why put him in the Azath at all. Why not let him be claimed by the fait of the rest of the BB. I thought that when Kalam, Quick and Fiddler dies (maybe also the BB in Darujistan) they'll simply join the rest of the ascended army.

[GardenGnome]

Kalam was clearly led into the Azath - by no other than ST. We know for sure that ST is a more than accomplished healer, and so should have no problem of healing Kalam himself, so clearly he has something else in mind aswell. This gives credit to the idea that it is ST and Cot that are setting up assassins in wait inside the Azath houses, to bring out when a crisis roars.