[Terez]

H.D., on 25 January 2010 - 04:11 AM, said:

Minor correction, Terez: Eli played at Ole Miss, Peyton went to Tennessee.

I knew that, and even thought about it when I made the Tennessee comment; I just wasn't thinking. Both of them started college during the years I wasn't paying attention.

HD said:

Early line is Colts by 4. I expect that to drop towards a true pick'em game with close to a zero point spread.

And from what I gather, the Colts are a better team, and the Saints have only gotten so far because they have managed to scrape through a bunch of tight spots (like tonight). Not that they're not a good team, but that has been my impression of this season, just from reading about the games. The QB seems conservative, but solid, which makes him good but not great like Manning or Favre.

Anyway, I think I will actually watch this Superbowl. I think I might have watched one or two since '98, but '98 is the last Superbowl I remember watching, since it was the last one I actually gave a shit about. I was a Favre girl, and that Superbowl seemed like the beginning of the end for the Packers. It hurt too much to watch the Packers sucking in the next season or two, so I quit watching.

But I think I will watch it and root for the Saints. If they lose, it will still be sweet that they at least got to go, and lost to a worthy team with a Saints boy for a QB. I know that makes me not a real Saints fan OMG I ABANDONED THE AINTS FOR BRETT FAVRE but I don't care. I have enough crap to worry about without getting emotionally invested in sports.

[amphibian]

Terez, on 25 January 2010 - 04:49 AM, said:

And from what I gather, the Colts are a better team, and the Saints have only gotten so far because they have managed to scrape through a bunch of tight spots (like tonight). Not that they're not a good team, but that has been my impression of this season, just from reading about the games. The QB seems conservative, but solid, which makes him good but not great like Manning or Favre.

Conservative, but solid? In my opinion, Brees is the second best quarterback in the game right now. I'd rank Manning ahead of him and Brady behind him.

Favre has had a good season, but his best years are definitely behind him. I would call him an above average quarterback right now, and that's being somewhat generous in my (unasked for) opinion.

[Terez]

Good to know. Like I said, today was the first time I saw the guy play, and that not for long. Didn't have much time to judge him, but I did glance at his stats for the season. Favre should have quit playing years ago (which is part of why I quit watching football), but he's still got an arm from hell, despite the lack of accuracy. I haven't watched him much at all since his MVP years.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

YOu're a Packer fan Terez? Cool. I'll be rooting for the Saints now, even though they knocked Favre out of the playoffs. Manning deserves more than one ring though, so I won't be upset if they win. I'm in the good position of being able to enjoy the game however it turns out as long as it it close.

I think favre should come back next year. He got hammered tonight though, it might have been bad enough to make him retire.

[Terez]

Raymond Luxury Yacht, on 25 January 2010 - 10:19 AM, said:

YOu're a Packer fan Terez?

I was before I quit watching football altogether, but honestly I was more of a Brett Favre fan, since he is a local boy (I am a student at Southern Miss, and was back then too, and he grew up about 30 miles from where I grew up). I understand why people hate him, though, with all the antics the last few years....I just don't have any hard feelings toward him personally. Sometimes grown men act like babies; if I was going to hold it against all of them I'd have to stay away from men altogether.

I haven't really been a Saints fan since I was a kid, but I have a lot of friends that have been Saints fans all these years, through thick and thin, and their excitement is of course rubbing off on me. So I will watch the Superbowl and root for the home team, but it's not like I get Real Fan bragging rights or anything.

[Salt-Man Z]

I don't see how people can say things like "Favre should have retired years ago" when he just had quite possibly the best season, statistically, of his entire career.

[caladanbrood]

Saints first Superbowl ever? That's quite impressive really, though from the evidence of the playoff games, the Colts are going to slaughter them, unless the Saints can get a decent running game going, which is hardly a guarentee.

[amphibian]

Salt-Man Z, on 25 January 2010 - 04:31 PM, said:

I don't see how people can say things like "Favre should have retired years ago" when he just had quite possibly the best season, statistically, of his entire career.

I don't think he should necessarily retire, but I do think that he is getting entirely too much publicity for his play. Statistics can be misleading. Patrick Ramsay was a badass statistical quarterback for the Redskins a few years ago, but the teams stank and he wasn't a great player. He got hit an ungodly amount of times too - almost David Carr-getting-sacked levels..

[teholbeddict]

Terez, on 25 January 2010 - 04:49 AM, said:

And from what I gather, the Colts are a better team, and the Saints have only gotten so far because they have managed to scrape through a bunch of tight spots (like tonight). Not that they're not a good team, but that has been my impression of this season, just from reading about the games. The QB seems conservative, but solid, which makes him good but not great like Manning or Favre.

Anyway, I think I will actually watch this Superbowl. I think I might have watched one or two since '98, but '98 is the last Superbowl I remember watching, since it was the last one I actually gave a shit about. I was a Favre girl, and that Superbowl seemed like the beginning of the end for the Packers. It hurt too much to watch the Packers sucking in the next season or two, so I quit watching.

But I think I will watch it and root for the Saints. If they lose, it will still be sweet that they at least got to go, and lost to a worthy team with a Saints boy for a QB. I know that makes me not a real Saints fan OMG I ABANDONED THE AINTS FOR BRETT FAVRE but I don't care. I have enough crap to worry about without getting emotionally invested in sports.

I think you've got your teams mixed up there Terez. If anyone got lucky this season it was the Colts. They had the near perfect record, but in many of those games they barely scraped out the win. There was a lot of luck involved in those situations, and at times they didn't look like a solid team. There is nothing conservative about Drew Brees, he has a crazy arm, will lay the ball out there and can take a hit. I also think the Saints are the more complete team. They have a solid defense, one of the best in the league this year, they've got a dynamic core of rb's that are almost impossible to stop and even if you eliminate those you still have some awesome players in someone like Shockey. Granted there were some games this season, where NO had to come back in the second half or late in the game, but for the most part they were unstoppable and had a crazy season. Many people thought they would also go undefeated this year.

The Colts on the other hand are more of a one dimensional team. Yeah they've got PM and he's awesome, but their defense is not the greatest, and although PM can place the ball anywhere, their WR's can't seem to catch a ball to save their life. Addai had some great games this season, but he's not on par with the Saints run game.

For me the Saints are the better all around team and the real superbowl happened between them and the Vikes last night. I would have rather seen the Vikes take the win, but I think the Colts are going to have their hands full with the Saints.

This post has been edited by teholbeddict: 25 January 2010 - 06:36 PM

[teholbeddict]

Salt-Man Z, on 25 January 2010 - 04:31 PM, said:

I don't see how people can say things like "Favre should have retired years ago" when he just had quite possibly the best season, statistically, of his entire career.

Before this season I was one of the people who thought he should finally retire for sure and stop playing around with whether or not he was coming back. I was never a Favre fan until this year, nor a Vikes fan for that matter, but I was completely won over. As much as I hate to say it I am a Favre fan for sure, he had an amazing season and turned the Vikes around. I hope he doesn't retire and the Vikes go on to have another stellar season next year.

[Terez]

teholbeddict, on 25 January 2010 - 06:38 PM, said:

Salt-Man Z, on 25 January 2010 - 04:31 PM, said:

I don't see how people can say things like "Favre should have retired years ago" when he just had quite possibly the best season, statistically, of his entire career.

Before this season I was one of the people who thought he should finally retire for sure and stop playing around with whether or not he was coming back. I was never a Favre fan until this year, nor a Vikes fan for that matter, but I was completely won over. As much as I hate to say it I am a Favre fan for sure, he had an amazing season and turned the Vikes around. I hope he doesn't retire and the Vikes go on to have another stellar season next year.

I'm sure he doesn't want the last play of his career to be that interception he threw in the last minute......

I think he would have been happier if he'd retired in glory rather than after all this mess. He might have had a good year this year, but it seems like half the world hates him now, and from what I've seen, it's easy to see why. Oh well....it's not the first time I've seen Favre go down in the NFC championship. I'm glad it was the Saints this time and not the Cowboys, whom I will hate forever, no matter how apathetic about sports I might be.

[caladanbrood]

Everyone wants to retire in glory, most never get the chance. Don't really see why he should retire though - after all the hassle he went through to get to play for the Vikings, why would he quit after just one season?

[HoosierDaddy]

I'm tempted to write a novella as to why tehol is wrong about the Colts being one dimensional, and why this:

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The Colts on the other hand are more of a one dimensional team. Yeah they've got PM and he's awesome, but their defense is not the greatest, and although PM can place the ball anywhere, their WR's can't seem to catch a ball to save their life. Addai had some great games this season, but he's not on par with the Saints run game.

Has just been proved to be abysmally wrong the last two weeks, and that the statement on the WRs.... Well. Anyways.

I won't.

It'll be a good game. Saints are a helluva team.

[caladanbrood]

Colts strike me as a team that are very vulnerable to injuries. Isn't a huge percentage of their wage bill tied up in 6 players?

[HoosierDaddy]

At certain positions they are EXTREMELY vulnerable. Manning, Freeney, Wayne are the most irreplaceable. Freeney came out at the end of last game, hoping he is healthy.

[Tiste Simeon]

Well, there we go. Just watched it now, finally going online today! Flip, it was a great game, and very little in it. I think I shall be rooting for the Saints in the final, though I'm not quite sure why...

[Thelomen Toblerone]

The Minnefumble Vikings got absolutely robbed, they really deserved to win that game. Why the fuck didn't Favre just scramble for the few to make FG range at the end of the 4th?!

Colts are definitely the favourites to my mind now, they're just such a balanced team - the running game might not be great, but it does enough to set up play action, and with Manning, that's all you need. After all, why waste money and attempts running the ball when you've got one of the top QBs ever to play the game?

[teholbeddict]

H.D., on 25 January 2010 - 09:41 PM, said:

I'm tempted to write a novella as to why tehol is wrong about the Colts being one dimensional, and why this:

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The Colts on the other hand are more of a one dimensional team. Yeah they've got PM and he's awesome, but their defense is not the greatest, and although PM can place the ball anywhere, their WR's can't seem to catch a ball to save their life. Addai had some great games this season, but he's not on par with the Saints run game.

Has just been proved to be abysmally wrong the last two weeks, and that the statement on the WRs.... Well. Anyways.

I won't.

It'll be a good game. Saints are a helluva team.

Two weeks does not erase an entire season of play, I get that they are your team though so I expect you could come up with a page worth of comments. I don't think you are going to honestly argue with me about the Colts D, they played so poorly at times this season I wonder why they bothered to get dressed. As for the WR's yeah Garcon is finally starting to catch, and clearly after last game Collie is improving as well, I don't have anything bad to say about Reggie Wayne but he was the only one with consistency this season. Garcon dropped perfect passes all season long, I know you bitched about the WR's a good deal this year. There is a reason that they had so few td's in their games this year and that many of the td's they did have were run in by Addai. I am not saying they suck, I'm not saying they aren't going to be a challenge for the Saints, or that PM isn't awesome, I'm just saying that in my mind the Saints are a more well rounded team. Brees is good in his own right, he's not PM, but he's still an awesome qb. It's almost impossible to stop the Saints, they have amazing RB's they can go to anyone at anytime. Most teams can't sucessfully stop their run game because they have too many options, and if they do Brees takes it to the air. They've got so many options that it's extremely difficult for teams to stall them on all of those fronts. Brees isn't afraid to lay it out there and go for the long bombs, and Shockey is super athletic. I just think they have more weapons in their arsenal than the Colts do, combined with the fact that the Colts D is lacking it could prove to be a problem. If you put pressure on PM or effectively cover their WR's and stop their pass game, then the Colts are forced to turn to Addai. He's not on par with the RB's of NO, not to mention he's injury prone. NO is also fantastic at forcing turnovers, whether they are stripping the ball or intercepting it. It makes for a hard game for your Colts. I think it's going to be a good game no matter what.



@Terez Yes Favre should have run with all that open space ahead of him, and gone for the first down to get them within fg range, but that interception may have been the last play of the game for them offensively, but not the worst. I'm more bothered by things like AP being unable to hold on to the ball, his fumbles killed them, as did the fumble by Harvin. It was still a good game on Favre's part, not his best for sure, but I will remember his season overall much more than that interception. Of course he didn't want to go out like that, no one does, I don't think it means he's going to retire though or should. It just means they go back next year and improve upon some things, have another awesome season. He may have thrown that interception last night, but he was hands down one of the top three qb's in the league this year and a serious contender for mvp. He transformed the Vikes and led them to the NFC champship which is a long way from where they were last year. I don't think that's a bad not at all.

Oh and I will forget you said you hate my Cowboys!

[Terez]

caladanbrood, on 25 January 2010 - 09:31 PM, said:

Everyone wants to retire in glory, most never get the chance. Don't really see why he should retire though - after all the hassle he went through to get to play for the Vikings, why would he quit after just one season?

I don't think anyone thinks he should retire right now besides those that have come to hate him since he left the Packers, but he might should have years ago, when, a couple of years after his MVP/Superbowl streak, the Packers started to suck, and he started showing his first obvious signs of wear and tear. He had more than enough money to retire then, and quite a few have retired much younger. I think he probably had a good season this time around because he had something to prove, and if he can keep that up, great, but I doubt he can keep it up for much longer.

teholbeddict, on 26 January 2010 - 01:57 AM, said:

@Terez Yes Favre should have run with all that open space ahead of him, and gone for the first down to get them within fg range, but that interception may have been the last play of the game for them offensively, but not the worst. I'm more bothered by things like AP being unable to hold on to the ball, his fumbles killed them, as did the fumble by Harvin. It was still a good game on Favre's part, not his best for sure, but I will remember his season overall much more than that interception. Of course he didn't want to go out like that, no one does, I don't think it means he's going to retire though or should. It just means they go back next year and improve upon some things, have another awesome season. He may have thrown that interception last night, but he was hands down one of the top three qb's in the league this year and a serious contender for mvp. He transformed the Vikes and led them to the NFC champship which is a long way from where they were last year. I don't think that's a bad not at all.

Oh, I didn't say I thought he was going to retire because of it - quite the opposite, I think that would be a bad way to go out, maybe not so much to us, but definitely to him because he's touchy like that. So I don't think he'll retire.

TB said:

Oh and I will forget you said you hate my Cowboys!

ugh, and I will try to forget that you are a fan. Okay, forget it, it's not possible.

This post has been edited by Terez: 26 January 2010 - 02:32 AM

[Salt-Man Z]

Man, I didn't want to have to root for the Colts, but now I'm hoping they absolutely humiliate the Saints.