[HoosierDaddy]

Stupid Baltimore kicker. Shanks for being a fucktard!

You heard it hear first, Minnesota vs New Orleans in the Super Bowl! No one can even come close to matching their magesterial teams, and no one should try, for in attempting to achieve such perfection, God will smite them down!

Edit: Also, what're the odss of back to back 0-16 years for somebody? Jeez.

This post has been edited by HoosierDaddy: 18 October 2009 - 08:40 PM

[Thelomen Toblerone]

Wathc a rugby match. They will stick it between the posts from 40 yards, in howling gale, from the touchline. And yet kickers in the NFL manage to miss XP attempts and FG attempts of less than that distance, from straight down the middle, and get paid about 5 times more than a quality rugby fly half or whoever, whilst doing half the work. Madness. NFL scouts should just come and pick up someone like Johnny Wilkinson, he'd love it - pure kicking and no need to tackle and dislocate his brittle shoulders again.

[HoosierDaddy]

Evidently I'm in a bad mood today. Lol.

If they were smart they'd try out then, Toby. Why else wouldn't they?

This post has been edited by HoosierDaddy: 18 October 2009 - 08:52 PM

[Thelomen Toblerone]

I'm gonna go with rugby players not being smart. Something to do with getting hit in the head and no helmets, probably.

FUCKING TOM BRADY IS KILLING ME. Not content with my usual level of hatred for him, he's single handedly beating me at fantasy football just to make me feel even more hatred towards his stupid smug face.

[HoosierDaddy]

Don't worry. Guess what happened after they consistently ran up the score in 07? They lost the Super Bowl and Brady went down first game of the year the next year. Either they learned their lesson or....

This post has been edited by HoosierDaddy: 18 October 2009 - 09:58 PM

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Thelomen Toblerone, on 18 October 2009 - 08:44 PM, said:

Wathc a rugby match. They will stick it between the posts from 40 yards, in howling gale, from the touchline. And yet kickers in the NFL manage to miss XP attempts and FG attempts of less than that distance, from straight down the middle, and get paid about 5 times more than a quality rugby fly half or whoever, whilst doing half the work. Madness. NFL scouts should just come and pick up someone like Johnny Wilkinson, he'd love it - pure kicking and no need to tackle and dislocate his brittle shoulders again.

Isn't that drop kicking though? Different animal than place kicking. Still, I don't know why more guys don't cross over. Maybe the two kicking styles don't translate as much as you might expect?

[Daser]

My lord someone stunk up the place......and his name is M. sanchez.

[AlanH]

Raymond Luxury Yacht, on 18 October 2009 - 10:38 PM, said:

Thelomen Toblerone, on 18 October 2009 - 08:44 PM, said:

Wathc a rugby match. They will stick it between the posts from 40 yards, in howling gale, from the touchline. And yet kickers in the NFL manage to miss XP attempts and FG attempts of less than that distance, from straight down the middle, and get paid about 5 times more than a quality rugby fly half or whoever, whilst doing half the work. Madness. NFL scouts should just come and pick up someone like Johnny Wilkinson, he'd love it - pure kicking and no need to tackle and dislocate his brittle shoulders again.

Isn't that drop kicking though? Different animal than place kicking. Still, I don't know why more guys don't cross over. Maybe the two kicking styles don't translate as much as you might expect?

Although they do drop kick sometimes, I assume he was talking about conversions and penalties seeing as drop goals are a lot harder (and most couldn't do it consistently at 40 yards). Anyway, he can ignore Johnny Wilkinson and get a really talented kicker like Chris Patterson. He is statistically the greatest goal kicker in rugby union and he once went over a year without missing a kick at international level which was something like 40 to 50 kicks. And the really funny part? He plays for Scotland. We couldn't win a single bloody game without him. And some of our greatest recent wins have been completely because of him. Is there anything more depressing than having the greatest in the world at something playing for a country which has no chance?

[AlanH]

Also, CMON BEARS!

[Binder of Demons]

Raymond Luxury Yacht, on 18 October 2009 - 10:38 PM, said:

Thelomen Toblerone, on 18 October 2009 - 08:44 PM, said:

Wathc a rugby match. They will stick it between the posts from 40 yards, in howling gale, from the touchline. And yet kickers in the NFL manage to miss XP attempts and FG attempts of less than that distance, from straight down the middle, and get paid about 5 times more than a quality rugby fly half or whoever, whilst doing half the work. Madness. NFL scouts should just come and pick up someone like Johnny Wilkinson, he'd love it - pure kicking and no need to tackle and dislocate his brittle shoulders again.

Isn't that drop kicking though? Different animal than place kicking. Still, I don't know why more guys don't cross over. Maybe the two kicking styles don't translate as much as you might expect?

I'm also surprised that more rugby players aren't scouted for kicking in the NFL. They are however very different in practical terms. Punting should be quite straightforward for them, as they get the ball in their hands and time to aim it. Equally, kick-offs shouldn't be a problem since it's a static kick.

The extra-point conversion is an interesting one though, since they must rely on a holder, and so can't get into the rhythm they'd be used to in rugby for place kicks. The methodical nature of most modern rugby place kickers is probably what limits their ability to cross over. Players like Jonny Wilkinson have a very long build up to taking a kick, which is why he's so accurate, but you simply wouldn't get that time in an NFL game. If i were to try and find a rugby kicker to cross over, I'd head to South Africa where they currently have two players (Francois and Morne Steyn) who are capable of kicking penalties from their own half, and drop goals from the halfway line!!! They seem to breed distance kickers over there?

The other thing to consider is that the NFL ball is smaller, weighs less and is shaped differently to a rugby ball, and that will affect it's flight. I don't think an NFL ball will travel as far from a kick, so straight comparison of kicking distances is skewed.

A more interesting experiment might be to try and convert some Aussie Rules players to be kickers. While place kicking isn't really their thing, their kicking out of the hand is quite impressive, and even the few amateur AFL players i know seem to be able to direct that oval ball pretty well (and make it do funny things in the air, and when it bounces). I think they'd be amazing punters.

anyway, that's my 2cents of the NFL/rugby kicker debate.

[Binder of Demons]

Also, GO BEARS!

[caladanbrood]

Thelomen Toblerone, on 18 October 2009 - 08:44 PM, said:

Wathc a rugby match. They will stick it between the posts from 40 yards, in howling gale, from the touchline. And yet kickers in the NFL manage to miss XP attempts and FG attempts of less than that distance, from straight down the middle, and get paid about 5 times more than a quality rugby fly half or whoever, whilst doing half the work. Madness. NFL scouts should just come and pick up someone like Johnny Wilkinson, he'd love it - pure kicking and no need to tackle and dislocate his brittle shoulders again.

Wilkinson very nearly did a few years ago I believe - when he was getting so down in the dumps about his constant injuries I guess. Chose not to because of the complete difference in roles, from controlling the game in rugby and being virtually the most important player on the team rather than being a complete afterthought in NFL, only on the pitch maybe 5 or 6 times in the game. It's not all about the money, but I am also extremely suprised there is not more scouting of rugby teams, possibly because the flyhalfs who are good enough to be better than the NFL kickers are good enough to be at least reasonably close to the international level, and that's not something which you'll ever get a chance at in the NFL, despite the somewhat laughable claim that the Superbowl winners are "world champions"...

[Thelomen Toblerone]

Wow, the Rams have traded Witherspoon to the Eagles. What's the deal, they're so bad they figure they might as well trade one of their few decent players away just because it wont make much difference?

[HoosierDaddy]

I am a happy boy.

[Tuberski]

Binder of Demons, on 19 October 2009 - 12:57 AM, said:

Raymond Luxury Yacht, on 18 October 2009 - 10:38 PM, said:

Thelomen Toblerone, on 18 October 2009 - 08:44 PM, said:

Wathc a rugby match. They will stick it between the posts from 40 yards, in howling gale, from the touchline. And yet kickers in the NFL manage to miss XP attempts and FG attempts of less than that distance, from straight down the middle, and get paid about 5 times more than a quality rugby fly half or whoever, whilst doing half the work. Madness. NFL scouts should just come and pick up someone like Johnny Wilkinson, he'd love it - pure kicking and no need to tackle and dislocate his brittle shoulders again.

Isn't that drop kicking though? Different animal than place kicking. Still, I don't know why more guys don't cross over. Maybe the two kicking styles don't translate as much as you might expect?

I'm also surprised that more rugby players aren't scouted for kicking in the NFL. They are however very different in practical terms. Punting should be quite straightforward for them, as they get the ball in their hands and time to aim it. Equally, kick-offs shouldn't be a problem since it's a static kick.

The extra-point conversion is an interesting one though, since they must rely on a holder, and so can't get into the rhythm they'd be used to in rugby for place kicks. The methodical nature of most modern rugby place kickers is probably what limits their ability to cross over. Players like Jonny Wilkinson have a very long build up to taking a kick, which is why he's so accurate, but you simply wouldn't get that time in an NFL game. If i were to try and find a rugby kicker to cross over, I'd head to South Africa where they currently have two players (Francois and Morne Steyn) who are capable of kicking penalties from their own half, and drop goals from the halfway line!!! They seem to breed distance kickers over there?

The other thing to consider is that the NFL ball is smaller, weighs less and is shaped differently to a rugby ball, and that will affect it's flight. I don't think an NFL ball will travel as far from a kick, so straight comparison of kicking distances is skewed.

A more interesting experiment might be to try and convert some Aussie Rules players to be kickers. While place kicking isn't really their thing, their kicking out of the hand is quite impressive, and even the few amateur AFL players i know seem to be able to direct that oval ball pretty well (and make it do funny things in the air, and when it bounces). I think they'd be amazing punters.

anyway, that's my 2cents of the NFL/rugby kicker debate.

There are, or were, a couple of former AFL players punting in the NFL: Ben Graham, Darren Bennett and Colin Ridgeway.

[Slow Ben]

Wow Bears, good showing today. We made Benson look like Walter fucking Peyton! We looked like total shit ALL game.

there was a lot of ass kickings today.

[Stalker]

Hey Vikings- Protip: If you want to win, learn how to tackle.
OR
Don't give the ball away twice for over 80 year TD runs, on offense, while near the Red Zone.

[Obdigore]

Stalker, on 26 October 2009 - 01:11 AM, said:

Hey Vikings- Protip: If you want to win, learn how to tackle.
OR
Don't give the ball away twice for over 80 year TD runs, on offense, while near the Red Zone.

Hey Protip- Ref's, don't make up bullshit calls so the team with the bigger fanbase wins. Tripping because he did a waist level chopblock? Defensive Delay of Game AFTER the play had started? Lets not talk about missed holding calls on both sides of the ball, or a couple missed defensive interference calls on both sides.

The only thing the vikings did really wrong that game was giving it to AP with the ball on the 1 once, then trying to pass on second and third downs. Do you really think AP can't pound for 1 yard through any defense in the league with three tries? Especially behind that left side. But big-ass Kleinsausser as TE on the left side, but your full back in front of him, and pound that thing in.

The sack and fumble by farve shouldn't have happened, because the play before was a TD. The interception was too bad, but 1) the ball should never be above the RB's head on a screen pass, and 2) even if it is, the RB should be able to get it. Even so that play was most likely a TD if that ball hadn't been fumbled like that.

Meh. The incosistancy in the penalty calling bugged me the most. It was a good game, and the vikings beat the stealers in pretty much every stat except penalties and lucky breaks. Even so, that Percy Harvin return was great, and when AP put Gay on his ass and went right over him was hilarious.

[Grumble]

Really gutted that #71 Walter Jones was put on IR by the Seahawks this week ..... his career could now be over !

The best left tackle of his generation and a future first ballot Hall of Famer this guy will be a big loss to both the Seahawks and the league. How good can a left tackle really be .... well Mike Holmgren called him the BEST player on offence he has ever coached, a big call when you realise that means better than Montana, Young, Rice, Favre et al.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Brett Favre getting booed in Green Bay is making me sad. Not surprising, but still.