[paladin]

the chargers are of the same quality as indy and ne, so i dont think it depends on how they do.. it just depends on momentum in the playoffs and bounces going your way between these teams. id be tempted to pop the jags in that too if garrard continues to perform

[Optimus Prime]

The Jags could become elite. But I'm worried they may be one of those one hit wonder teams.

I'm interested to see if Vince Young finally develops....they need to get him a go-to receiver....because right now the Titans passing game is ugly.

[paladin]

jags have been on the cusp with their defense and running game for a while, just not able to get the qb performance to really compete.

young, i doubt it. he'll live like vick. survive on his feet but never win the big game in the nfl. he had a bit of a sophmore slump, but i dont know if its just teams adjusting to his style of play. its no secret that mobile qbs arent successful in the nfl unless they have accuracy as well. favre has it. cunningham had it from time to time. garcia has it.

who doesnt have it? vick, plummer, young. they have big arms and like to run, but their decision making skills are suspect and they're accuracy is poor.

on another note, this is why i think that tebow will be a huge disappointment if hes drafted and expected to start soon. statistically he nearly matches youngs career at this point and the teams are fairly similar and the spread-option offense doesnt work in the nfl

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Tebow will be more likely to get drafted as a receiver like Brad Smith from Mizzou. He was a mobile qb for them a few years ago, plays as a receiver for a team I don't remember right now.

[Optimus Prime]

I think Brad Smith plays on the Jets.

Tebow...I could see him becoming an H-Back. He will never play QB in the NFL.

No way.

And he knows it even now.

[paladin]

whats tebows 40 time? he looks like he wouldnt be fast enough to be a receiver. more like a tightend or a fullback, but who knows how his blocking and receiving skills are.

[Grumble]

paladin;257786 said:

whats tebows 40 time? he looks like he wouldnt be fast enough to be a receiver. more like a tightend or a fullback, but who knows how his blocking and receiving skills are.

6'3'' 234lb runs a 4.58 40

[paladin]

that just confirms it then.. suitable for a tightend or a fullback

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Fullback? Really? Tightend I can see, but I don't think QBs make good fullbacks. If there's historic precedent I'm unaware of, I will gladly admit I'm wrong though. Tebow's running skills come from making people miss in the pocket and running the option, both running styles involving trying NOT to get hit. Fullbacks are looking for contact every play. I don't think it would work out well.

[paladin]

he runs like a fullback, he's built like a fullback, he looks like a fullback. he's just playing the wrong position

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

paladin;258251 said:

he runs like a fullback, he's built like a fullback, he looks like a fullback.

I would disagree with all three of these statements. Even if he hypothetically would make a good fullback, very few NFL teams really use a traditional fullback anymore.

~Luxury Yacht, not trying to start an argument, but has opinions about things

[amphibian]

Raymond Luxury Yacht;258424 said:

I would disagree with all three of these statements. Even if he hypothetically would make a good fullback, very few NFL teams really use a traditional fullback anymore.

~Luxury Yacht, not trying to start an argument, but has opinions about things

Packers used two during the Seahawks game. They'd bring a tight end in motion, and drop him two or three yards to the right or left of the regular fullback. When the play went off, both would charge straight ahead and nail a defender, which created huge cut-back lanes for Ryan Grant.

Giants "solved" it by getting good pass rush from the defensive line.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Packers are one of the few I was talking about. One of their FBs is new to the position. He switched over from linebacker, I believe, a much more natural position change.

It comes down to this. A fullback has three main jobs:blocking, running checkdown routes, and the least important of their jobs is running the ball. Their main priority is blocking. Running into a hole, laying a lick on a linebacker. Tebow is not suited for this at all.

As a fullback, he would be lucky to touch the ball five times in one game, most of those being fb dives up the gut. It's a waste of his talents. If he's going to switch positions, it needs to be to a position that utilizes his abilities to get around people. Tailback, TE, receiver seems the best bet.

To bring up an old point never resolved, has there ever been a QB who switched to FB? If so, has there ever been one to do so successfully? I'm not trying to antagonize anyone with this, I really do not know the answer and would like to know. My guess is there has not.

EDIT: I looked it up to see if this position switch has happened before. I found one historical example. In 1962, a junior quarterback at Ole Miss named Perry Lee Dunn was thrust into emergency duty at fullback after a wave of injuries hit the position. After returning to quarterback for his senior season, Dunn was drafted in 1964 by the Dallas Cowboys in the fourth round to play fullback. Dunn lasted six seasons in the N.F.L.

There is a guy signed but undrafted by the Jets at FB in 2006 who was a QB at Richmond, named Stacy Tutt. Wiki says he does not start and may go to the CFL and play QB for Calgary.

[amphibian]

I think it's only been in recent years that QBs have gotten as big as modern fullbacks or linebackers.

I remain undecided on Tebow. He could either be a decent starter or out of the league in four years.

So um.... what do we talk about next?

[Optimus Prime]

An H-Back is basically a Tight End. Tebow will end up an H-Back.

Fullback is pretty much a dead position...which is sad because it is so important. They never get enough credit.

[paladin]

alstotts done and gruden likes good fullbacks.. florida boy goin to tampa. i could see it. anyways, most of the leagues top rushers in recent memory have great fullbacks(jags, chargers, and formerly the seahawks. exceptions are the chiefs and vikings, which were/are dominating o-line teams), and eventhough the league is in a bit of a passing offense mode, defenses will catch up and the running game will come around again. it is cyclical.

that said, tebow will get drafted as a qb and wither away. want to goto the nfl as a qb, goto a school with a real offense, not a gimmick spread option. goto a school that works the option, maybe you'll be a wideout. hines ward, antwan randle-el, matt jones, and marcus vick are all former college qbs that are now receivers.. we dont know if tebow has hands or not, but his size and speed doesnt lend him to being a successful receiver in the modern nfl. matt jones and mike williams are 6'5 or 6'6 and 240. prototypical of the new breed of wide receiver. tebow is shorter and slower than both of those.

[Optimus Prime]

I don't know...Tebow seems like a guy who plays football purely for the love of it. Hard for me to admit as a Georgia fan...but the guy is fun to watch.

i could see him changing positions...and excelling. Time will tell I suppose.

[Grumble]

Sorry Paladin .....

Tony Richardson went to the Pro Bowl at Fullback and played for both the Chiefs & Vikes !

[paladin]

my fault, i thought that LJ ran a singleback. priest i can see though

[Optimus Prime]

paladin;258650 said:

alstotts done and gruden likes good fullbacks.. florida boy goin to tampa. i could see it. anyways, most of the leagues top rushers in recent memory have great fullbacks(jags, chargers, and formerly the seahawks. exceptions are the chiefs and vikings, which were/are dominating o-line teams), and eventhough the league is in a bit of a passing offense mode, defenses will catch up and the running game will come around again. it is cyclical.

that said, tebow will get drafted as a qb and wither away. want to goto the nfl as a qb, goto a school with a real offense, not a gimmick spread option. goto a school that works the option, maybe you'll be a wideout. hines ward, antwan randle-el, matt jones, and marcus vick are all former college qbs that are now receivers.. we dont know if tebow has hands or not, but his size and speed doesnt lend him to being a successful receiver in the modern nfl. matt jones and mike williams are 6'5 or 6'6 and 240. prototypical of the new breed of wide receiver. tebow is shorter and slower than both of those.

He can be a good H-Back or Tight End though. He has ideal size and speed for those positions. If you are talking about Mike Williams from USC...Tebow is faster than him. That guy is fat as hell and a huge bust.