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Xander;242161 said:

Wow...Seattle GOT OWNED.

Talk about momentum...it looked like Seattle was going to destroy Green Bay...until Brett Favre started playing.

Ryan Grant rushed for 200+....wow.

Seattle has to get a new running back and upgrade their O-Line...and beg Shaun Alexander to retire and give back some of that contract....what a terrible decision that was.

Calling all NFL teams Xander says don't give your league MVP that new contract he wants :confused: ..... wonder who will pick up Brady off waivers Atlanta maybe? :hand: Get rid of your superstars before they get hurt !

A good crop of running backs available in the draft this year so we may get some help there, also need to replace veteran RG Chris Gray inside and find a pass catching tight end.

[lundymicron]

Well so much for my predictions... Harrison fumbles... that sucketh!

Congratulations San Diego Chargers!!!

One very hard fought game and one awesome showing by the Chargers. The Colts were very sub-par today. I really don't get them sometimes. I think when they slack off, (to get rest) at the end of the season, its a big mistake for them. Year before last, they slacked off the last 2 games of the season, had a bye week, then in the playoffs, were one and done. (Steeler's beat them that year and won the Superbowl)

The Colts did NOT deserve to win today and the Chargers earned that win big time and utterly out played the Colts.

Now on to the AFC Championship game!! I am on the bandwagon baby!! Go Chargers!! Beat those stinking Patriots!!

(Though the realist in my sees a 19-0 Pats season) Should that happen, I'll congratulate them. In the meantime, Go Chargers!!

Colts, next year fellas!

[paladin]

chargers match up really well against the colts.. i think they're 9-4 alltime in the RCA dome

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Ha! Stupid Cowboys! Way to go, Eli. Have fun at Lambeau.

[Optimus Prime]

Grumble;242290 said:

Calling all NFL teams Xander says don't give your league MVP that new contract he wants :confused: ..... wonder who will pick up Brady off waivers Atlanta maybe? :hand: Get rid of your superstars before they get hurt !

A good crop of running backs available in the draft this year so we may get some help there, also need to replace veteran RG Chris Gray inside and find a pass catching tight end.

There are VERY few running backs worth a big contract in the NFL. It isn't smart to give a multi-year contract to a position player such as a running back. Why? They average FOUR YEARS in the NFL. You also normally don't draft running backs high unless they are freaks (Adrian Peterson). Seattle has fucked themselves by giving Alexander that contract.

LT is one of the few in a while to be worth the money.
Look at the Colts...they had Marshall Faulk...let him go...drafted Edgerrin James...he wanted more money...let him go...plugged in Joseph Addai...BRILLIANT.

[paladin]

but faulk was worth it, and proved so in st louis. edge has revived the cardinals running game. the real brilliant decision they made was putting addai over rhoades, who has yet to prove hes anything but a backup in oakland.

every position is hit or miss and every position deals with injury. unless you're a god of drafting, you have to lock up proven talent or risk a falloff. most drafted guys dont pan out, thats the nature of the nfl

sure you'll make bad decisions from time to time in hindsight, but salaries increase yearly, and if you dont lock them up earlier, you'll pay more later

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Alexander had one great year, which was coincidentally his contract year. To give a back his age and average performance was foolish.

[Optimus Prime]

Raymond Luxury Yacht;242475 said:

Alexander had one great year, which was coincidentally his contract year. To give a back his age and average performance was foolish.

Amen brother.

I saw him play in college and he was soft then and always will be. While all running backs need a good offensive line, Alexander needs AN AMAZING one to even be effective.

That is what made Walter Payton and Barry Sanders so great. They never had a good offensive line.

Alexander seriously looks like he is running on one leg...it is almost sad if I actually liked the guy.

[paladin]

alexander had a couple years of competing for rushing titles.. i recall one year he lost it by a few yards in the last game of the seasion

hes a talented player, but hes broken down some. the foot injury is the killer. i think he still fits well with morris as they have two styles of running, as long as both stay healthy.

[Optimus Prime]

I say he is done. He had a good run, but in the end he was an overrated back. he isn't fast, he isn't powerful...they call it "shifty" i guess.

With the deterioration of the line, we've finally seen how bad he is.

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Raymond Luxury Yacht;242475 said:

Alexander had one great year, which was coincidentally his contract year. To give a back his age and average performance was foolish.

I think most people, myself included, would agree that LaDainian Tomlinson is the best back in football right now. However, once again I have to question your knowledge or to be exact your lack of it .

Alexander you say was given his new contract purely on the back of his 1 great year in 2005, an MVP year. To be fair to you lets compare his production since 2001-2005 directly with LT.

Yards gained rushing LT 7361, 1472 a season and a whopping 14td's WOW
Alexander rushing yards 7504, 1500 a season oh & 19td's :eek: . I wonder why they paid him :confused: .
Sure he has been injured in 2006 (broken foot) and 2007 (broken wrist, foot still not healed & knee injury V's Browns) and clearly lacks the burst and lets be honest the blocking of those previous years, but to call him a 1 season wonder is just ignorant :hand: .

Hope we are able to pick up such an average replacement in the draft this year.

[Obdigore]

Packers > Pats by about 2 points in the SB.

[Optimus Prime]

Grumble;242702 said:

I think most people, myself included, would agree that LaDainian Tomlinson is the best back in football right now. However, once again I have to question your knowledge or to be exact your lack of it .

Alexander you say was given his new contract purely on the back of his 1 great year in 2005, an MVP year. To be fair to you lets compare his production since 2001-2005 directly with LT.

Yards gained rushing LT 7361, 1472 a season and a whopping 14td's WOW
Alexander rushing yards 7504, 1500 a season oh & 19td's :eek: . I wonder why they paid him :confused: .
Sure he has been injured in 2006 (broken foot) and 2007 (broken wrist, foot still not healed & knee injury V's Browns) and clearly lacks the burst and lets be honest the blocking of those previous years, but to call him a 1 season wonder is just ignorant :hand: .

Hope we are able to pick up such an average replacement in the draft this year.

I wouldn't run around calling someone ignorant when you cleverly omitted the last two seasons...WHICH happen to totally destroy your argument. LT's last two seasons smoke Alexander's...and longevity is more important...6 plus years of amazing stats as compared to four...

Alexander was productive in a short window of time...but overall LT is a far superior back and better teammate.

:cool:

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Grumble;242702 said:

I think most people, myself included, would agree that LaDainian Tomlinson is the best back in football right now. However, once again I have to question your knowledge or to be exact your lack of it .

Alexander you say was given his new contract purely on the back of his 1 great year in 2005, an MVP year. To be fair to you lets compare his production since 2001-2005 directly with LT.

Yards gained rushing LT 7361, 1472 a season and a whopping 14td's WOW
Alexander rushing yards 7504, 1500 a season oh & 19td's :eek: . I wonder why they paid him :confused: .
Sure he has been injured in 2006 (broken foot) and 2007 (broken wrist, foot still not healed & knee injury V's Browns) and clearly lacks the burst and lets be honest the blocking of those previous years, but to call him a 1 season wonder is just ignorant :hand: .

Hope we are able to pick up such an average replacement in the draft this year.

I don't think they paid him only because of that season, but I think it influenced them to give him the kind if money that would indicate they expected him to consistently have seasons like that. That, imo, is foolishly optimistic. Always be wary of a player who has a career year the year they come up for contract renewal/free agency. There have been way too many cases of it being someone who was inspired by the dollars, then slip into apathy once they get the payday.

He has skills. Or had, I think they've faded. The biggest problem as I see it is he doesn't seem to care. He runs like a guy who has already been paid. The announcers in that game were talking about how much heart he was showing and how well he was running because he spun out of one tackle. Makes you wonder how much heart someone shows normally if they get congratulated on bothering themselves to break one tackle enroute to a 20 yard performance.

So, your numbers, combined with his numbers from his most recent, weaker efforts, tend to back me up. He WAS good, especially when the money was on the line and he was young. Now, he's already been paid, he's a little old for an average back, doesn't run hard, and I don't think you can consider him good in the pesent tense. Which means, as I was saying, regardless of what he once was, he is NOW soft, fragile, and overpaid, and is not worth the money.

I think this was predictable and it's going to hurt the Seahawks. They need to trade him to a desperate team for as high a pick as they can get and draft someone who really wants to play and can play. Really, who would you really want, Alexander or Mcfadden?

~Luxury Yacht, always enjoys arguing with C-Hawk fans

[Obdigore]

Most amazing back right now?

Adrien Peterson.

Although I'm a MN fan, this kid is going to be HUGE if he can hold up for a full season. Like Scary good.

[Optimus Prime]

Running backs are a tricky business because often times the scheme dictates how good they are going to be (See Denver). Look at the Bears...they WASTED a pick on Cedric Benson...yuck.

Raymond is right, you have to be careful of a player who suddenly explodes for a career year in his contract year....because often times they never reproduce like that again. Alexander had some skills...but he was never dominant..I never watched him and thought "Wow that guy is incredible". He always was a beneficiary of a superb offensive line.

Backs like LT are a once in a 10 year type...the guy is a freak.

Adrian Peterson has a lot of talent...but can he stay healthy? I hope so, he is fun to watch.

[paladin]

Raymond Luxury Yacht;242931 said:

I don't think they paid him only because of that season, but I think it influenced them to give him the kind if money that would indicate they expected him to consistently have seasons like that. That, imo, is foolishly optimistic. Always be wary of a player who has a career year the year they come up for contract renewal/free agency. There have been way too many cases of it being someone who was inspired by the dollars, then slip into apathy once they get the payday.

He has skills. Or had, I think they've faded. The biggest problem as I see it is he doesn't seem to care. He runs like a guy who has already been paid. The announcers in that game were talking about how much heart he was showing and how well he was running because he spun out of one tackle. Makes you wonder how much heart someone shows normally if they get congratulated on bothering themselves to break one tackle enroute to a 20 yard performance.

So, your numbers, combined with his numbers from his most recent, weaker efforts, tend to back me up. He WAS good, especially when the money was on the line and he was young. Now, he's already been paid, he's a little old for an average back, doesn't run hard, and I don't think you can consider him good in the pesent tense. Which means, as I was saying, regardless of what he once was, he is NOW soft, fragile, and overpaid, and is not worth the money.


/not a seahawk fan, a basic football fan with no home team

I think this was predictable and it's going to hurt the Seahawks. They need to trade him to a desperate team for as high a pick as they can get and draft someone who really wants to play and can play. Really, who would you really want, Alexander or Mcfadden?

~Luxury Yacht, always enjoys arguing with C-Hawk fans

the question is do you lock up that proven aging veteran to make a shot at the finals? hasselbeck is old, alexander is old, the o-line is aging(terry is 33 now), trufants contract is coming up(one of the best young corners in the league), holmgren close to retirement, etc. the heat did it with Shaq and won a championship, the seahawks as they were this year and the last few were superbowl contenders in the nfc. they invested for the window of time they believe they had, and sometimes you have to overpay for that in a town that isnt a traditional nfl town and doesnt necessarily draw the free agents like the more traditional football towns.

i dont disagree with the decision. if they were the vikings, packers, falcons, raiders, etc prior to this year, i wouldnt have agreed because those are teams that had no need for a veteran back with a few years left. teams like the seahawks, cardinals(who did the same for edge), broncos, giants, etc need that veteran back to provide 2 or 3 years worth of decent performance to get over the hump.

basically, hindsight is 20/20, but the investment on the projection of 2 or 3 more above league average years in order to contend for championships on an aging offensive team is a valid one. otherwise, they wont be a true contender for 3-4 years while they rebuild their offense from the ground up.

[Optimus Prime]

I disagree. I think Running back is a position where you can draft in the later rounds and end up with a steal. Going out and signing a free agent back or resigning an aging one doesn't make as much sense. The lone exception to that is Corey Dillon, and lets face it, the Pats got lucky they got that one very good year out of him. Of course, everything seems to be going great for the Pats lately.

You see a lot of teams now using two back systems and not spending an assload on running backs? Why? Because as I stated earlier...it is rare a RB lasts a long time...that is part of why using low draft choices on them appeals to so many teams.

It is better to spend the big contracts on Quarterbacks, O-Line, D-Line, and shut down corners. These are the building blocks, the positions you spend the high draft picks on and big money in free agency.

[bubba]

I concur....When buying a running back, your shopping for a punching bag, how long will the seams hold out? you just don't know....but if you are in contention....you need to have someone that will work for that amount of time(say two or three years) your team is in the hunt. It's all timing, you are trying to balance your aging stars with your rising rookies.....and during that time you have to pay to fill your holes

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Raymond Luxury Yacht;242475 said:

Alexander had one great year, which was coincidentally his contract year. To give a back his age and average performance was foolish.

RLY ~ Please reread the above, your words. I just pointed out WHY he was paid ie productivity at that time, every GM wishes he had a crystal ball to see what a guy would do after he is paid and to be fair to Alexander he has been injured the last two years. Did Seahawks screw up signing Pat Kearney this year 31 years old now, you tell me!

Xander ~ 2001-2005 is 5 seasons muppet & the seasons he was rewarded for with his contract ! I presume you know both locker rooms well NOT to call LT a better teammate than Alexander, stick to the facts :hand: