[polishgenius]

I was flicking through the book today, and I noticed something I'd either forgotten or not spotted before: there's a moment when Kalam goes off to check ahead of Tavore and T'Amber, coming out of tunnel and finds a bunch of Claw killed and scattered around all over the place - he mentions that it looks like someone was venting a grudge, it looks like a lot of anger, but that's just his guess.
Now, I can't remember whether this was explained in the book, and if it was, who did it? I can't think of any outsanding candidates - Apsalar joined the game later, and anyway, the description of the scene doesn't suggest her style -broken legs and things -(though it could be a recurrence of her torture thing, which was sidelined in this book, but I thought that was a GotMism). The possibility that it was other Claw was mentioned, but only as a guess.
Anyone?

[Rat Mentor]

I wonder if it may of been a Hound of Shadow?

Shadowthrone was taking an interest in Kalam after all...

[Dolorous Menhir]

Cotillion certainly had a grudge against the Claw, perhaps Apsalar shares it. I don't think there are many other candidates for people who were killing Claw wholesale that night. Simpler to assume it was Apsalar.

[Onos]

Agreed, i took it to be Apsalar.

[polishgenius]

I was thinking Apsalar, or Cotillion, but as I mentioned, too much force seems to have gone into it - broken limbs was never something I picked up from them. Though I could be reading to much into it.
Another thought that crossed my mind that it was, by pure coincidence of crossing paths, Leganas Reed, and that Kalam is confusing anger with the unsubtlety of a T'lan Imass visit.

[Onos]

Leganas Reed just came from the ocean. She wasnt wandering around in the manors. "I just came from there!"

[Illuyankas]

Could have been Rel's Claw versus the Empress' Claw. And he's called Legana Breed.

[Dark Mac]

It was probably Apsalar. Where else would the 300 Claw she killed be?

[Gem Windcaster]

I agree with Dark Mac - ST did say Apsalar killed about 300 claw.
A side note: that would mean the other group with Kalam killed off the other half, also about 300 claw, since the total number was estimated (I think by Kalam, but I might be wrong) to about 600 claw.
Edit: okay, so that was stupid, since it never says anywhere that all the claw on the island was killed off, but I still kinda like the idea

[fan_83]

why wouldn't it be grub and his friends?

aps doesn;t kill with broken bones thats not an assasin way..

[Wry]

For some reason I thought it was tempers doing... Dunno why.

[philospher77]

I put it down to either Apsalar or, as Illy said, a bit of house-cleaning by Pearl and those loyal to Laseen.

[Dark Mac]

fan_83;108950 said:

why wouldn't it be grub and his friends?

aps doesn;t kill with broken bones thats not an assasin way..

Apsalar kicks a Hound of Shadow across a room. Doing the same to a human would certainly break bones.

[fan_83]

and yet when she went after teh 300 or so assasins she didn;t bother to kick any across the room to cause collatarel damage and chose instead to use he knives... thats a typical of aps who kill in the most efficient manner usually..

[Illuyankas]

philospher77;108985 said:

I put it down to either Apsalar or, as Illy said, a bit of house-cleaning by Pearl and those loyal to Laseen.

I actually meant that the corpses were the loyal ones, murdered by Rel's Claw.

[philospher77]

Illuyankas;109054 said:

I actually meant that the corpses were the loyal ones, murdered by Rel's Claw.

Ah. Well, consider me in general agreement, then. There is definitely some infighting going on, and since we only see the dead bodies, it's hard to figure out which side won a particular battle.

[tiam]

Yeh i thought it was the black glove shadow organisation against the claw. It couldnt have been the other way round because if the claw knew thy were infiltrated they would have chosen a better opportunity than chasin the greatest living assasin.

[Dark Mac]

fan_83;109040 said:

and yet when she went after teh 300 or so assasins she didn;t bother to kick any across the room to cause collatarel damage and chose instead to use he knives... thats a typical of aps who kill in the most efficient manner usually..

She generallly applies a variety of methods. I doubt she killed each Claw in exactly the same way.

[fan_83]

no she doesn;t but she kills them in the fastest and easiest way available to her.. that means thrusts and strikes at vital points.
she isn;t possessed by cot anymore and she has no reason to torture those claws, they are merely enemies due to different beliefs..

the onese that was found was broken by being pummelled if i remember correctly. aps style is more of knive thrusts, broken necks and so on..

not brutal beating to death