[Dolorous Menhir]

Adjunct Lorn spoke of a FA warren in GotM, when conversing with either Tool or Toc, I forget which. That's the only evidence we have of FA magic that I can think of.

Calm hit Thord and Karsa, there was no magic there. Remember, Delum had fingermarks across his face. And they weren't in a cave at the time.

edit: and I should say, Lorn's words are pretty much a GotMism, though it's natural to assume the FA have a racial warren too. It would be strange if they were the only Elder race to lack one.

[Abyss]

They don't seem to use warren magic. Keep in mind they are an Elder race and might be drawing on something older/more primeval. It would seem magic must play some role in their power, since they resist other races' powers and from what we've seen, Jaghut, Imass and Tiste Andii were all wary and respectful of them.

As for where they all went, it seems some were killed by Silchas (and maybe other draconeans), some were imprisoned under rocks like Calm and Serenity, and others just left, dies, or lost interest in life.

Big question mark about how they tie to the Assail continent tho'.

- Abyss, FA or not FA, that is the question.

[Aptorian]

Like the warren Karsa apparently creates himself around his presence, that might be what the FA posses. When Serenity fights a K'risnan in MT the K'risnan afterwards say something in the lines of the magic being thrown back, making it useless. Sounds a lot like what Karsa can do.

Strange thing about Calm in HoC. Apparently she has some kind of divination/cognetive ability, she says she see's the future of karsa, the horrors that will be commited in his path or something. Yet she wants to see what karsa will do before she judges him - to death.

That said she also expresses a deep respect for the Teblor and their past. Im guessing it has something to do with their racial pragmtism.

[tiam]

I beleive that they dont have a warren. They are the embodiment of balance and sorcery is contrary to the notion of balance. They are simply very strong and fast. They all died because they outdate the KCCM i think. They had vast civilistaions (likely originating on Assail hence the name) and are simply from thepast. They wander as adjudicators and simply wander.

[Delat]

It seems to me that the Forkul Assail like Karsa absorb warren magic are like living otataral. I wonder if the Teblor and Forkul are somehow linked. The teblor like other toblakai do not use the warres but use more atavistic or natural magic. Perhaps the warrens being essentailly foreign have difficulty with things purely of the natural world. Then Thelomen mage in the first book seems inconsistent with the other toblakai, but I suppose if Quick can access eldar warrens than a barghast or other non human could in theory learn to mainipulate the other warrens as well, they just have their own

[Thelomen Toblerone]

Being a force for balance it makes sense to me that, while magic might not have any effect on FA (I would guess they neutralize it, like alkali and acid), at the same time they would have their own magic as well, to use if necessary, in the face of a superior physical opponent (the First Seguleh for example).

[Aptorian]

The Teblor and the Thelomen might not share the same past.

While a leader of the TTT, perhaps assisted by Icarium, took his people to the mountains of the Laederon(sp?) plateau where they fell back to their earliest tribal past, the same might not account for the Thelomens past. Perhaps they did revert to barbarism but their contact with humans or other tribes might have beeen more extensive, more early.

These people probably didn't have the bloodoil, which might be the cause that the Teblor don't have an affinity to the warrens. I believe that it was Torvald Nom that in HoC said that if the malazans had known of the properties of Teblor Bloodoil they would have war'ed with them long ago.

So either the malazan wiped out the history of Bloodoil in the Thelomen past or the Thelomen simply never had the stuff. Either way the Thelomen, if we believe Belurdan to be none to exceptional for his people, seem to have a far greater understanding of their nature and past. His thought on Gothos Foly and his alliance with Nightchill would certainly indicate this.

[Onos]

I am pretty sure Belurdan is an exception to the norm. Either he was chosen for his intelligence by Nightchill or he acquired much info in her company. (i am also confident he has a longer than natural lifespan)

I do agree that a society closely linked to 'bloodoil' would have very stunted magic development.

[Onos]

Concerning previous posts:
Hmmm i was going to suggest the FA linkage to Otaral... but i believe i like the FA perfection theory better. (magic doesnt effect them as well due to perfection) They dont have the feel of an active magical society. They seem too arrogant to use magic.

Do FA have some eternal 'balance sense' to know who they kill? Cause if is too subjective i could easily see them killing each other for having different opinions on balance.

[Dolorous Menhir]

We've only seen two living FA in action. And briefly.

Just because those two didn't use magic doesn't mean the entire race doesn't.

[GardenGnome]

And can we be certain they didn't use magic? Maybe they had some magic stuff enhancing their physical power?

Maknavox: About magic and imperfection: That's Hold magic. We've heard no mention of it before, so I'd say it might very well not apply to all sorts of magic - With newer ways to work magic, even Letherii steal could be enchanted. Of course, I have nothing to back this up on, just a thought.

[Obdigore]

ok... im confused as to where people are saying the FA used to have a vast civilization...

i was under the impression that there were a few of them (like Sole-gons) and were very powerful. They just wandered around settling disputes until they decided that everyone was always wrong, and the only way for peace as through the lack of anyone sentient near them....

It seems _SEEMS_(to me) they are attempting to force order on everything/everywhere by destroying things that can cause chaos (sentient beings).

Perhaps the first of their race was spawned on Assail, and that is where they return to mate/meet?

[Dolorous Menhir]

In DG Sormo E'nath makes an offhand reference to FA civilisations being destroyed by Jaghut sorceries.

It's literally a single throwaway line, but it's the only thing that springs to mind.

And I think when Silchas Ruin showed Kettle the FA he'd killed in MT, there seemed to be a large number of them in an FA settlement of some kind, right? Not 100% on that though.

[Aptorian]

Dolorous Menhir;115914 said:

In DG Sormo E'nath makes an offhand reference to FA civilisations being destroyed by Jaghut sorceries.

It's literally a single throwaway line, but it's the only thing that springs to mind.

And I think when Silchas Ruin showed Kettle the FA he'd killed in MT, there seemed to be a large number of them in an FA settlement of some kind, right? Not 100% on that though.

Yes, it's in MT, Ruin shows kettle the impressive piles of dead FA. A line suggests that they used to have big cities under the earth... or maybe that was Bugg that made that comment.