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Kulp's dead..Ceda's dead...everyone else can go through hoods gate for all I care, there's nothing but empty shells left.
Though I'd say Fiddler, Kruppe and a couple of others being fan favourites have a pretty good chance of not dying until a point where there's not a lot left to tell. Grub seems pretty safe since he needs to forfill his roles as first sword unless that's a red herring. I'd suggest Hood is fairly safe just becacuse the implications of his death would be a little too awkward maybe unless someone (Karsa?..this belongs in Crazy theory section) succeeds him.
Almost everyone else is pretty much fair game.
Is anyone safe from death in the Malaz books?
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Posted 15 October 2006 - 10:10 PM
I want Fiddler to die. By falling into the jakes. And Surly (Laseem),Tavore, Karsa, Anomander, Kruppe, Picker, Kalam, Cutter can also die in similarly meaningless ways. Just to show that Oponn balances preposterously good luck with bad. 
Shadowthrone, Cotillion, and Ganoes Paran already died once. Don't think they really need to die again especially since I think ST and Ganoes are going to be two of the ones left standing at the end. ST due to his brains and Ganoes due to his luck. Also their original deaths were pretty boring so wouldnt want a repeat. I would rather see the ones that have strutted untouched start dropping like flies than those that have already died do so again. Like Lorn, her actual death by two common thugs after being spanked by a superior swordsman was priceless after all her posturing and strutting around (wearing Surlys blood soaked slippers).
Shadowthrone, Cotillion, and Ganoes Paran already died once. Don't think they really need to die again especially since I think ST and Ganoes are going to be two of the ones left standing at the end. ST due to his brains and Ganoes due to his luck. Also their original deaths were pretty boring so wouldnt want a repeat. I would rather see the ones that have strutted untouched start dropping like flies than those that have already died do so again. Like Lorn, her actual death by two common thugs after being spanked by a superior swordsman was priceless after all her posturing and strutting around (wearing Surlys blood soaked slippers).
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Posted 15 October 2006 - 10:38 PM
What does "falling into the jakes" mean?
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Posted 15 October 2006 - 10:58 PM
Dolorous Menhir;124618 said:
What does "falling into the jakes" mean?
Don't soldiers dig trenches to defecate in? Aren't those called jakes? I forget what they are called in the books, "jacks"? Death by falling into the jakes would be sorta like slipping on a bar of soap in the shower but I don't think soldiers in Malazan books of the Fallen have showers or soap. I think it would be an embarassing way to go, (especially for someone as full of sh_t as Fiddler) that is all.
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Posted 15 October 2006 - 11:09 PM
I don't remember it being used in the books, maybe it's slang from somewhere else?
Do you really hate Fiddler that much, that you want him to die like that?
Do you really hate Fiddler that much, that you want him to die like that?
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Posted 15 October 2006 - 11:43 PM
Well, I don't really hate any of them although I did get awful tired of Fid/Strings in HoC. Has any of the main charachters died in a somewhat humorous, ignoble, non-heroic way? I imagine SE's gonna eventually kill off most of our favorites anyway so might as well have a few laughs too. Kulp wasn't exactly a most favorite of mine but he really went out with a wimper.
But theres still another three or four books to introduce even more new characters before he finally gets around to killing off the ones he introduced in the first half dozen books. I actually expect all the interesting characters to die so hopefully I might be pleasantly surprised if one or two make it. Fiddler is definitely not one of them. Kalam and QB were but already I'm getting a bit bored with them. Fiddler I got bored back in DH, that he continued seems a necessary plot device but I don't like it. He's just too full of bullsh_t. And not much of a soldier. As Gesler states, "a crabby old creakbones".
But theres still another three or four books to introduce even more new characters before he finally gets around to killing off the ones he introduced in the first half dozen books. I actually expect all the interesting characters to die so hopefully I might be pleasantly surprised if one or two make it. Fiddler is definitely not one of them. Kalam and QB were but already I'm getting a bit bored with them. Fiddler I got bored back in DH, that he continued seems a necessary plot device but I don't like it. He's just too full of bullsh_t. And not much of a soldier. As Gesler states, "a crabby old creakbones".
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Posted 17 October 2006 - 02:23 AM
You have no respect for real men. a soldier is one thing, a warrior another - but neither of those things make a man a man. Fid's a man, i have respect.... freaking kids these days... no respect...
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Posted 11 November 2006 - 08:55 PM
Ok Fiddler is better in BH, almost interesting. It was just on my reread thru MOI and HOC that I got so disgusted with Fiddler. Fiddler can survive if he doesn't go back to constant brooding and feeling sorry for himself. Fids actually quite young and having him tottering around like an ancient fogey and talking like one too is jarring.
Besides gasbags like Fid haven't done anything to earn respect. Ok, Fid did blow up a building full of enemy archers with a cusser but he also killed at least a dozen or more fellow malazan soldiers with the "friendly fire". He's got the b_tching part down pat but hes neither a great soldier nor a great warrior.
I wouldn't want to even be in the same Army as him due to his friendly fire.
If Fiddler goes, no tears from me.
Besides gasbags like Fid haven't done anything to earn respect. Ok, Fid did blow up a building full of enemy archers with a cusser but he also killed at least a dozen or more fellow malazan soldiers with the "friendly fire". He's got the b_tching part down pat but hes neither a great soldier nor a great warrior.
I wouldn't want to even be in the same Army as him due to his friendly fire.
If Fiddler goes, no tears from me.
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Posted 12 November 2006 - 11:54 PM
Karsa can die, for me. he was always waste of ink and paper
Paran will live only atleast till book 10 i think, then meaby he will get out or not
Tavore will live too, since 14th army is needed, and if Tavore dies the army will brake, as Keneb says "we are waiting because we are HERS! we are waiting for the Adjunct and thats that"
Cotillion will die tragically, since hes not very suited for a god, and a god has no place for feelings
Apsalar may or may not die, since there is potential there, she can ascend
Paran will live only atleast till book 10 i think, then meaby he will get out or not
Tavore will live too, since 14th army is needed, and if Tavore dies the army will brake, as Keneb says "we are waiting because we are HERS! we are waiting for the Adjunct and thats that"
Cotillion will die tragically, since hes not very suited for a god, and a god has no place for feelings
Apsalar may or may not die, since there is potential there, she can ascend
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Posted 17 November 2006 - 09:07 AM
was just reading bits of Memories of Ice this morning, and I suddenly got a thought...
maybe QB's gonna die. After all, he's always in the thick of things, and he's a powerful mage. Somebody's gonna go after him. And he's plotting against CG! very much in risk of dying is QB.
maybe QB's gonna die. After all, he's always in the thick of things, and he's a powerful mage. Somebody's gonna go after him. And he's plotting against CG! very much in risk of dying is QB.
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Posted 18 November 2006 - 09:05 PM
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone dies. Like Fiddler said after the card game when someone asked, "who wins?". The reply was something like, "No one. But thats life."
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Posted 26 November 2006 - 02:50 PM
I hope nobody is safe from dying, but on the other hand there are some that i clearly hope survives atleast for awhile longer.
On the good side.
I would like very much for Trull to get a chance to redeem himself for some of his mistakes. (killing the Ceda and not warning Brys)
Apsalar deserves a break so she either finds her place in the world or goes out knowing she did what she could and for the right reasons.
On the evil side.
Something has to be done about Kallor. I have no clue what i want here but i sure hope SE has something ready for this guy that isnt pleasant.
Karsa: He is just to random for my taste. He needs to die or develop into a more predicteble person...either good or evil. As he is now he is just random mayhem more like an elemental force than a person.
Also when we get hints about the Ancient toblakai i just dont get the feeling that they where anything like Karsa. Powerfull yes but nothing like him.
On the good side.
I would like very much for Trull to get a chance to redeem himself for some of his mistakes. (killing the Ceda and not warning Brys)
Apsalar deserves a break so she either finds her place in the world or goes out knowing she did what she could and for the right reasons.
On the evil side.
Something has to be done about Kallor. I have no clue what i want here but i sure hope SE has something ready for this guy that isnt pleasant.
Karsa: He is just to random for my taste. He needs to die or develop into a more predicteble person...either good or evil. As he is now he is just random mayhem more like an elemental force than a person.
Also when we get hints about the Ancient toblakai i just dont get the feeling that they where anything like Karsa. Powerfull yes but nothing like him.
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Posted 03 January 2007 - 06:43 PM
I don't want Karsa to be predictable. Ever. He is a force of nature.
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Posted 02 February 2007 - 04:42 PM
I so thought Erikson was killing off Quick Ben as I read that fight with Icarium, almost screaming aloud NO DON'T DO IT.
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Posted 02 February 2007 - 05:10 PM
While a few more near-death moments are likely, i'd bet tall dollars that QB comes through this alive (in some form) through some near miraculous last minute, holy-crap-he-is-just-that-much-smarter-than-everyone, twist.
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Posted 02 February 2007 - 09:50 PM
I agree--QB is a survivor, and SE has invested so much into his character, including a huge back story that we really don't know about.
I don't see Karsa biting it soon either--not only is he a badass, but SE wrote a novella giving us his background. He also has a long way to go in terms of growth, and the characters like Samar Dev keep alluding to a depth in him that others do not see.
On the other hand, Kalam and QB makes statements to each other about the weight of their memories--a possible sign of an impending doom. Whiskeyjack's death was somewhat foreshadowed, not only with his refusal to have his leg healed, but in terms of his world weariness.
Of course if Hitchcock can kill of Janet Leigh so early in Psycho, I can imagine SE doing anything.
I don't see Karsa biting it soon either--not only is he a badass, but SE wrote a novella giving us his background. He also has a long way to go in terms of growth, and the characters like Samar Dev keep alluding to a depth in him that others do not see.
On the other hand, Kalam and QB makes statements to each other about the weight of their memories--a possible sign of an impending doom. Whiskeyjack's death was somewhat foreshadowed, not only with his refusal to have his leg healed, but in terms of his world weariness.
Of course if Hitchcock can kill of Janet Leigh so early in Psycho, I can imagine SE doing anything.
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Posted 20 February 2007 - 01:09 PM
I don't think that those two guys are examples of grunts, Crump, although I get the point you're making. Quick is a High Mage now -- despite what Mallick thinks -- and Fiddler has his weird spidy sense thingy.
I think better examples of grunt-level guys might be Sergeant Cord and squad, or Sergeant Balm.
I think better examples of grunt-level guys might be Sergeant Cord and squad, or Sergeant Balm.
Get to the chopper!
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Posted 20 February 2007 - 08:14 PM
Fiddler and Quick may not exactly be grunts themselves, but yeah they do seem to be the foundation for the others. Like it's said in BH, the army recovers its will to fight or whatever and is revived by the presence of soldiers such as Fiddler, Gesler and the like. I think there's a distinct possibility that either Quick or Kalam will die before the end (Kalam is still alive-ish, right?); both of them are world-weary and have seen enough. Whether their death is genuine, though, or another 'drowning', is another matter. Same goes for Fiddler, although technically he's already 'died'.
I also think Cotillion is doomed too, with his excess of compassion (for an ascendant, anyhow) and guilty conscience. However, I wonder if Rhulad will eventually die? Up until now I suppose he is the only character in the books who is truly 'safe' from proper death. I suppose for him to die, the Crippled God must be destroyed, which in the end he's got to be...right? Although in doing so many of our beloved characters will also likely meet their doom in the attempt, probably including all the Mortal Swords and the like.
I think Shurq Elalle could well be safe from death...again. Does that count, her being an undead? And Harlest, too. Just got to say though, I hope Tehol Beddict (of course), Trull Sengar and Mappo don't die. They be some of my favourite characters, and they don't deserve to die IMO.
I also think Cotillion is doomed too, with his excess of compassion (for an ascendant, anyhow) and guilty conscience. However, I wonder if Rhulad will eventually die? Up until now I suppose he is the only character in the books who is truly 'safe' from proper death. I suppose for him to die, the Crippled God must be destroyed, which in the end he's got to be...right? Although in doing so many of our beloved characters will also likely meet their doom in the attempt, probably including all the Mortal Swords and the like.
I think Shurq Elalle could well be safe from death...again. Does that count, her being an undead? And Harlest, too. Just got to say though, I hope Tehol Beddict (of course), Trull Sengar and Mappo don't die. They be some of my favourite characters, and they don't deserve to die IMO.
