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Is anyone safe from death in the Malaz books?

#41 Onos

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 05:18 PM

Kettle's "other" nature = Surprise.... Hmmm guesses?

Cant be the obvious...

Take "the one" who dies.... Since Rake was mentioned i think he at least survives RG.

Iccarium dying would be somewhat amusing and not terribly bad. I think he just wants to end it and move on. Funny cause he is made to be such a bad ass fighter, could be neat if he dies in some silly way. Either way based on the context of the comment i think the "one" that dies will be an ascendant or god, probably one that has been around for a while. So i would disclude (yes it is a word!!) Paran.

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 05:20 PM

Kettle = Mother Dark Reborn

(as one part of her nature)

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 06:52 PM

Agraba;104681 said:

Bottle may have "prophesized" that Kettle would be ruler of the shadow realm, but remember the prophecy of an emperor being crowned in Lether?

I think the only characters that can't be killed are the Elder Gods. Because they're elemental forces.

wait, wait - am I the only person who read that prophecy right from the beginning as referring to Rhulad's crowning as Emperor in Lether?

I always thought that the Letherii would go down - just based on how much time was spent explaining how infallible they thought their military power and debt-based indenture system was... So I thought it was natural that the prophecy they were all looking forward to and preparing for was actually the prophecy of their subjugation under the Edur. That prophecy came true at the end of MT for me.

Plus - I inferred that the poisoning of the warrens was an indication that the Elder Gods could die ? Krul seems to be susceptible to harm, which could lead to his death, plus Kallor's curse has the death of an elder god as one of it's conditions pretty specifically, doesn't it? Plus, the fact that Burn could be in harm?s way seemed to me to be a clear indication that the EG could go down.

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 07:17 PM

chani;108046 said:

Plus - I inferred that the poisoning of the warrens was an indication that the Elder Gods could die ? Krul seems to be susceptible to harm, which could lead to his death, plus Kallor's curse has the death of an elder god as one of it's conditions pretty specifically, doesn't it? Plus, the fact that Burn could be in harm?s way seemed to me to be a clear indication that the EG could go down.

Well the discussion of the Elder Gods mortality depends on what we believe they are. Are they all elemental forces? Did Mother dark create all the EG's meaning she also birthed the elemental forces. Or were the elemental forces around before Mother Dark and what are the EG then.

Are some really indestructible while others are just REALLY old gods, fed by blood and chaos? Hard to say. Say if Nightchill represented an Elemental force then when she was destroyed would she then had returned to being a floating element or would she be lost, her "persona" just being an aspect of the true element. Interesting question. I prefer to think that when the elder gods are defeated they just go away, into chaos or what you want to believe.

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 07:32 PM

Apt, i agree - when an if an elder god is an elemental force with a persona attached to it, then the death of that persona would be the death of that elder god's - they would return to chaos or whathaveyou.

Interesting thought is that what if this assignment of a personna to an elemental force is cyclical? I.e - perhaps an elemental force can gain a personna, have that personna die or dissolve, whatever, because of risk to their corporeal form by playing around in the mortal realm too much or through some other magical method - then return to an choatic elemental force until called upon to be reassigned to another personna. Or does each elemental force get one personna and if that personna is lost - they sort of loose the godhood lotto? Can't play again? Would this explain how elemental forces can be older than TandF and yet TandF can be older than the EG and their warren?

Random other thought: Paran may bite it just because his sister could be tempted to rely on him once (if) she finds out his role as MoftD? I think he may be likely to be killed off just because he has: a) already given the ascended BB a place in the patheon (and wasn't his role always connected to the BB, really? What else does he have a real connection to anymore?) and

because it would just be a cruhsing blow to Tavore that she'd have to overcome as part of her role as support for the remaining malaz army? Basically, it would be much more emotional struggle if Tavore has her supports knocked out from under her one by one - so allowing those two sibs to reconnect and then be torn apart by Paran's death seems possible to me. Same thing for Lostara in her "chick support" role.

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 07:53 PM

Then I wonder if, like K'rul seems to partly have done, the EG's can just give up their place. If so that could be what Edgewalker is.

I can't really figure out what K'rul is, he doesn't seem to be an element. He seems afraid of the CG yet the amount of power he would seem to control, KG and SD being in his heart, he should be the most powerful creature out there. Also people are worried about Burn dying, with all K'rul holds within him I would think that the loss of K'rul would be the toughest.

About Paran I think getting rid of him should prove a bit more tough the longer he stays a MotD. He is already ascended and when people start recieving word of his existence, people will soon begin worshipping him. Ganath said as much. Of course he is an irritating aspect as he apparently meddles a bit more than he should be doing.

But he is needed for the duration of the war in the Pantheon. He needs to be there to clean up what ever happens between the gods. settling matters or punishing if the gods "step out of line".

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 03:47 AM

not even the person quoted in hetan's sig was immune ...

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 03:59 AM

chani said:

Random other thought: Paran may bite it just because his sister could be tempted to rely on him once (if) she finds out his role as MoftD? I think he may be likely to be killed off just because he has: a) already given the ascended BB a place in the patheon (and wasn't his role always connected to the BB, really? What else does he have a real connection to anymore?) and

Iirc, Paran was created specifically for this series...or specifically for GoTM. Which to me, means he could go anytime. I like this idea of yours Chani, if SE intends to continue with Tavore...which I find far more palatable than continuing with Paran, if I had to choose. But if Lostara is killed, I'm going to be extremely pissed.

Kallor, I am beginning to understand that your rep is no joke.

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 04:22 AM

Kallor;108186 said:

not even the person quoted in hetan's sig was immune ...

its tehol beddict isnt it, it sure sounds like something he'd say, then again i begin to wonder why im saying anything anyways its not like youre gonna say "yes it is tehol who dies, all i was waiting for was for someone to get it right"

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 04:43 AM

There should be a "Kallor posted in this thread" icon in topic titles, so I don't bother reading those. No good can come of it except pointless irritation and a bunch of wild guesses.....;o((((

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 05:08 AM

zeeny;108191 said:

There should be a "Kallor posted in this thread" icon in topic titles, so I don't bother reading those. No good can come of it except pointless irritation and a bunch of wild guesses.....;o((((

Wild guess: Paran is headed to Quon Tali, and won't play a huge role in RG. His home is in Darujistan, so it would be surprise if he wasn't around in TtH. SE likes to surprise us, but I just have a feeling that Paran makes it out of RG.

I do think that all the BBs will be dead by the end of the books though, including Paran and Aps. I have Fid pegged for dying in Dust of Dreams.

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 05:49 PM

All the BBs dying just seems too obvious... SE has aleady cleaned the toilet with the BBs.... So yeah it makes sense to kill them all, but SE doesnt usually take the obvious path.

Hmmm that said, what purpose could Fid have other than dying in this series... he is old, has done lots of crap... Sounds like an 'obvious' book 10 death to me.

P.S As much as i like Fid i would accept his death as long as Aps goes too...

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 01:34 AM

lol ... my sincere apologies zeena ... if you like i could pm you of all topics i post on ...

as to who dies and who lives, well, i thought the one who dies at the end of rg was sure to last the series, but when se explained why it made sense ... but lots of others also die in this book ...

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 04:31 AM

Onos;108387 said:

Hmmm that said, what purpose could Fid have other than dying in this series... he is old, has done lots of crap... Sounds like an 'obvious' book 10 death to me.

In the prologue of GotM, it's said that Fiddler is only a few years older than Paran. So he's not old at all. He "feels" old in the books, but I think that's just because he's been a soldier most of his life and seen a lot of hard things.

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 01:35 PM

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I'm confused.

Explain why Rake being as good as Ruin makes Dassem able to take out every Awoved including Skinner and Blues? I'll agree that he has a real chance of winning such fights but what does that have to do with Rake and Ruin?

Sorry i don't know how to do spoilers, in black.

but if you haven't read all of the books, then in one of the books it explains stuff that explains other stuff, spoilers below

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 01:38 PM

@Phi'77: I suspect that's a GotM'ism.

@Pallor: Hmmm..... Karsa? Iccy? Mappo? Trull? Brainz?

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 01:58 PM

phart;108742 said:

Sorry i don't know how to do spoilers, in black.

but if you haven't read all of the books, then in one of the books it explains stuff that explains other stuff, spoilers below

Spoiler

Just checking if i can do this right.

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 02:12 PM

And the interesting aside to that is...

NoK spoiler:

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- Abyss, lurvs his NoK'isms, yes he does, my precious....

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 02:12 PM

Might it be interesting if Hood wasn't safe from death? That could cause a few complications...

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 06:37 PM

I agree that Fiddler feels far older than he is, but Fiddler is pretty 'old guard'. He is buddies with Braven Tooth, Gesler, Stormy etc... not a young fellow in my opinion. GoM? Could be an GoMism. Do you have the quote or do i need to dig it up at home?