[BridgeBurner]

Karsa doesn't like to be chained, so he does as he likes. Wether that is what the CG intended or not, remains to be seen in the following books...

[Lord of Salvation]

Karsa has already killed a few people in HHC. Its no big deal because the CG can always find replacements.

IMO Karsa is his biggest piece, he wants him on his side more than anyone else. He is willing to sacrifice some people to place him in his house.

[kaf09]

benwick19 said:

so icarium and karsa are sailing to letheras to fight the king/emperor Rhulad Sengar right?
but in encyclopedia malazica it lists rhulad sengar as king of high house chains and Karsa orlong as knight of high house chains?
https://starvalddemelain.pbwiki.com/High%20...e%20of%20Chains
so does this mean that the crippled god does not have as much influence as we thought being unable to stop two of the people in high house from being on course to destroy each other or does he want one of them to die in order to either refresh the house or make one of them stronger?
thoughts..

It could just mean that the Wiki contribution is wrong. (It has not been sanctioned/written by SE, right?). Kallor was also an aspirant to the throne. Rhulad may equally well be the House's mortal sword (whatever that is). Should Karsa meet Rhulad, I wonder how Withal's sword (a ramshackle thing apparently) held by Rhulad stand up against the flint sword wielded by Karsa. I also wonder when one of the champions who face Rhulad will get wise and cut the bastard's sword arm off. Someone, (DU, Icarium etc.) must sill be good enough to do it, even though Rhulad's skill must have greatly magnified.

BH (again! just like HoC) finished just at the wrong moment with regard to a remeeting between and Icarium and Karsa (and Mappo).

[Lord of Salvation]

Why does everyone believe the Karsa and Icarium will fight before either of them fights Rhuald?

Dont you think Rhuald woudl rather face both champions, he is honourable in that aspect? It does make sense; however, if he only wants to fight the best of the two, the winner, but I think he would not want to fight an injured champion.

Also Karsa's big flint sword doesnt matter, we just saw Icarium shatter a flint sword, so Rhuald might be capable as well. We dont know how strong he has become.

And both of them, Karsa and Icarium, will most like chop him to pieces. I think he will lose his sword arm and get cut in half. Thats Karsa's fighting style against Edur at least. Icarium severed many Edur limbs in his rage.

[kaf09]

Lord of Salvation said:

Why does everyone believe the Karsa and Icarium will fight before either of them fights Rhuald?
Dont you think Rhuald woudl rather face both champions, he is honourable in that aspect? It does make sense; however, if he only wants to fight the best of the two, the winner, but I think he would not want to fight an injured champion.

Well that's what Karsa seems to think. I agree that it is in Rhulad's interest to face both champions.

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Also Karsa's big flint sword doesnt matter, we just saw Icarium shatter a flint sword, so Rhuald might be capable as well. We dont know how strong he has become.

Again it mattered to Karsa, he wanted to fashion a weapon that would not break. Of course, sword fighters, as far as we know, never let swords contact edge to edge - they fenced in a way to protect their swords.

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And both of them, Karsa and Icarium, will most like chop him to pieces. I think he will lose his sword arm and get cut in half. Thats Karsa's fighting style against Edur at least. Icarium severed many Edur limbs in his rage.

I don't think these defeats will matter much to Rhulad; he has been slain a "1000 times". We have yet to see a rematch between Rhulad and someone who has slain him previously. Is Rhulad automatically better now than say Iron Bars because that's the way the sorcery worked? We shall see.

[Shield Anvil]

kaf09 said:

Rhulad may equally well be the House's mortal sword (whatever that is).

Just a thought on Mortal Swords and Champions/Knights. I don't think that a Mortal Sword is aspected to a whole House(there's not even a title that says MS in any of the Houses..) only to a single god, and Rhulad is highly believed to be the MS of the CG. This means that he still can hold the place of King in Chains and act as the MS of the CG.

[Aptorian]

A big discussion about MS and houses took place in the Stormy Shield Anvil thread. At that time I argued about Rhulad being both King and MS.

Strange as it may seem, Rhulad might not be king of the house... or at least not any longer. If you check the house list, no king is shown. Of course this could be a deliberate misdirection or an honest mistake, which has been seen before.

[Dolorous Menhir]

The glossary entry is only a guide to what is true at the start of the book. Rhulad appears to be the King during Fiddler's reading in Malaz Harbour, and so we say he is.

[Thelomen Toblakai]

I just want Karsa to meet him and kill him. Then he'll be reborn and Karsa (after a long battle) will chop him into tiny pieces. Lets see him come back to life then!

[Aptorian]

Imagine T2-Judgement day:
Karsa: Hasta Lavista, Baby! *Chops Rhulad into Edur meatcrutons*
*Rhulad flows together like ketchup in coinsauce, only in reverse*
Karsa: I'll be back... that's just disgusting *Karsa gets fed up and go's looking for that stupid Jhag*

That said, Rhulad has fought 100+ fights and died a hundred deaths. Are we to assume not one managed to chop of a hand, foot or an entire limb in all these fights? I'm guessing the Krishnan just lay the parts in their right potition and he mends when he returns.

But if they could dismember him and put the pieces in different boxes it will probably stop him.

[Dark Mac]

Apt said:

That said, Rhulad has fought 100+ fights and died a hundred deaths. Are we to assume not one managed to chop of a hand, foot or an entire limb in all these fights? I'm guessing the Krishnan just lay the parts in their right potition and he mends when he returns.

It actually says a thousand deaths, not just a hundred...but I'm pretty sure that that was an exaggeration. I'd be surprised if he had died more than five times since he fought Brys.

[Lord of Salvation]

Where does it say that he has died a thousand deaths? And of course it is a hyperbole but he has died since Brys I think.

Do you think the CG thinks he could defeat Skinner, Dassem, Karsa, or Icarium. He said he isnt ready for an Avowed yet, but I dont know if he would be confident in his victory against the above.

[Illuyankas]

The shadows around the Throne of Shadow say it to Paran in MOI, while he's looking for Rake through the Deck Of Holds.

[kaf09]

Lord of Salvation said:

Where does it say that he has died a thousand deaths? And of course it is a hyperbole but he has died since Brys I think.

Do you think the CG thinks he could defeat Skinner, Dassem, Karsa, or Icarium. He said he isnt ready for an Avowed yet, but I dont know if he would be confident in his victory against the above.

The quote comes from somewhere in Memories of Ice, when Paran is searching thru the warrens for Rake. "Ware this tyrant of pain...this lord of Midnite tides....who has been slain 1000 times......." Perhaps hyperbole, but given the Edur's recruitment programme, Rhulad must have met his match regularly since Brys Beddict. The implication being that he couldn't beat an avowed (indeed he could not!) - but this was years ago; and I think somewhere in MT it is explained that the sorcery that allows Rhulad to return after death also allows his skills to increase. The Chained God was anxious that Cowl (or another Crimson Guard high mage) would be able to finish Rhulad before his powers had fully developed.

[Loki]

I don't want to make any assumptions regarding what will happen, but if the Cripple God is defeated, I think Karsa will be apart of his downfall and not the Cripple Gods ally.

[Morgoth]

Lord of Salvation said:

Where does it say that he has died a thousand deaths? And of course it is a hyperbole but he has died since Brys I think.

Ever since Rhulad gained control of the continent in MT, his soldiers have scoured the world for champions able to kill him. We should assume they've been able to find at least a few..