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Just how big are the teblor/thelomen toblakai? S.E. never comes out and says it, and from different places where it is alluded to, they seem to be anywhere from a couple of feet taller than humans to three times as tall....Is there a definitive answer anywhere?
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Posted 02 July 2006 - 01:54 PM
As I see it, the Jaghut are maybe a head shorter than Karsa, and the Jaghut are maybe a head taller than most humans. Since the teblor call humans 'children', I'd guess that's the proportion we'd supposed to perceive.
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Posted 02 July 2006 - 04:27 PM
The demon possessed body in the water under the Malazan fort (close encounter with Kalam during HoC) that is now the enkaral-minded Champion of the Beast Hold was described as being three-times a humans height. I think this is the actual height of purepurepure-blood Thelomen Tartheno Toblakai.
But that unnamed warrior is the only true TTT we've seen in the books - Karsa and Bellurdan, though much larger than humans, were nowhere near as large as that. I don't imagine Karsa being any more than 8-10 feet tall (he's clearly significantly bigger than all humans, but nowhere near 3 times as much, or 18 feet), with Jaghut being 7-9 feet tall - of intermediate height.
Note Karsa is not a TTT, but a Teblor, fallen. It seems there are - as yet - no examples of living TTT's active (the body in the well doesn't count, as far as I'm concerned).
But that unnamed warrior is the only true TTT we've seen in the books - Karsa and Bellurdan, though much larger than humans, were nowhere near as large as that. I don't imagine Karsa being any more than 8-10 feet tall (he's clearly significantly bigger than all humans, but nowhere near 3 times as much, or 18 feet), with Jaghut being 7-9 feet tall - of intermediate height.
Note Karsa is not a TTT, but a Teblor, fallen. It seems there are - as yet - no examples of living TTT's active (the body in the well doesn't count, as far as I'm concerned).
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Posted 02 July 2006 - 05:12 PM
Yeah Karsa and the Teblor are still suffering from the results either of mutation or inbreeding as the "cloud" on their blood hasn't cleared. as such i'd imagine that he is somewhat smaller than a pureblooded ttt. next q? can't remember what the antecedents of the ttt are. imass related but crossed with what?
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Posted 02 July 2006 - 06:11 PM
Very hot topic. The TTT are not thought to be Imass-derived...so why are they not a Founding Race?
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Posted 03 July 2006 - 01:49 AM
When they come upon the party of humans at the forkrul assail stone, he picks up one of the corpse's and it says something to the effect of "wizened as a teblor after centuries of life but scaled down to that of an infant"
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Posted 03 July 2006 - 09:00 PM
If Karsa was of above average Teblor height(note he was shorter than Dellum) and the guy he frees something Nom is a smallish guy who only comes up to Karsa's waist.
That would mean a guy about 5'8'' give or take a few inches comes up to his waist. Karsa would probably be around 8 feet Maybe 9 at most.
That would mean a guy about 5'8'' give or take a few inches comes up to his waist. Karsa would probably be around 8 feet Maybe 9 at most.
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Posted 07 July 2006 - 09:06 AM
When Karsa and Nom meet the Tiste Edur they are described as taller then the lowlanders (humans), but still a head shorter than Teblors ... i would guess somewhere between 9-10 feet for an average Uryd male.
But there is another problem, Weve only met three of the six living tribes of Teblor ... we know that of these the Uryd are the biggest ... but weve heard about one other tribe (in HoC, dont remmeber the name or the exact ref. but this tribe was described as as fierce as the Uryd ..
5'8" isnt tall, but I wouldnt call it exactly smallish either
But there is another problem, Weve only met three of the six living tribes of Teblor ... we know that of these the Uryd are the biggest ... but weve heard about one other tribe (in HoC, dont remmeber the name or the exact ref. but this tribe was described as as fierce as the Uryd ..
5'8" isnt tall, but I wouldnt call it exactly smallish either
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Posted 10 July 2006 - 10:02 PM
I had pictured Karsa as somewhat smaller, maybe 7-8 feet, closer to 7, because he's only a head taller than a Tiste Edur. (Anomander Rake is described by Lady Simtal as 7 feet tall, and I expect him to be bigger than a Tiste Edur.) He is disproportionately heavy for someone his size, though; Torvald Nom comments that his flesh is different from human flesh, or even from Sunyd flesh, probably because of the purer blood. It's interesting that the TTT in the well is 18 feet tall; I suppose it's plausible then that Moby's companion in Tremorlor is TTT as well, then.
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Posted 21 July 2006 - 07:02 PM
I agree that hes about 9-10 feet tall. Thats tall enough to warrant your own horse.
So it seems that it goes:
Humans
Tiste
Jhagut
Teblor/TT
TTT
How tall are Assail?
And I'm guessing Imass are as tall as humans.
And Eres'al are shorter?
And Telamonian is Greek for great
Thelomen
And Karsa's skin is different then the Sunyd skin because he uses bloodwood and bloodoil and the Sunyd lost all of their groves.
So it seems that it goes:
Humans
Tiste
Jhagut
Teblor/TT
TTT
How tall are Assail?
And I'm guessing Imass are as tall as humans.
And Eres'al are shorter?
And Telamonian is Greek for great
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And Karsa's skin is different then the Sunyd skin because he uses bloodwood and bloodoil and the Sunyd lost all of their groves.
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Posted 24 July 2006 - 11:43 PM
I think the Imass are shorter and stockier than humans. They are suppose to resemble prehistoric people, yes?
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Posted 30 August 2006 - 11:49 PM
I'll never find it now of course but I thought I read that Karsa was over 7 feet tall (but not 8 or 9).
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Posted 16 September 2006 - 12:47 AM
I just read in Deadhouse Gates that Karsa is "over seven feet tall." So, I guess we can assume that he is between 7 and 8 feet tall, because if he was over 8, it would have said he was over 8 feet.
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Posted 16 September 2006 - 05:52 PM
Only problem is that the tiste races are all described as being around 7 feet tall and Karsa is certainly taller then them.
Also him being "over seven feet tall" could just be from a reference point. Like the color bars at entrances in banks, Mc Donalds and so on show varying hights.
I think of him as being 3 meters tall or more. Otherwise the Teblor reference "children" just doesn't make sense.
Also him being "over seven feet tall" could just be from a reference point. Like the color bars at entrances in banks, Mc Donalds and so on show varying hights.
I think of him as being 3 meters tall or more. Otherwise the Teblor reference "children" just doesn't make sense.
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Posted 16 September 2006 - 11:09 PM
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Only problem is that the tiste races are all described as being around 7 feet tall and Karsa is certainly taller then them.
Also him being "over seven feet tall" could just be from a reference point. Like the color bars at entrances in banks, Mc Donalds and so on show varying hights.
I think of him as being 3 meters tall or more. Otherwise the Teblor reference "children" just doesn't make sense.
Also him being "over seven feet tall" could just be from a reference point. Like the color bars at entrances in banks, Mc Donalds and so on show varying hights.
I think of him as being 3 meters tall or more. Otherwise the Teblor reference "children" just doesn't make sense.
I see your point, but it seems to me that if he was 8,9, or 10 feet high it would have said he was "over 8 feet tall," or "over 9 feet tall." It makes more sense. Otherwise, why pick 7? You could just as easily say he was over 4 feet tall and mean 8. It seems most likely that when describing someone as "over X feet tall" you would use the closest number in feet to their actual height.
I realize that this contradicts other info on the subject in the series, so who's to say if this is the correct reference or the other descriptions of his height are right. I'm inclined towards this reference, as it uses an actual number, instead of a more general description.
Oh, sorry about the previous double post. Things were screwy when I tried to post, and I didn't think it went through the first time.
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Posted 16 September 2006 - 11:36 PM
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I see your point, but it seems to me that if he was 8,9, or 10 feet high it would have said he was "over 8 feet tall," or "over 9 feet tall." It makes more sense. Otherwise, why pick 7? You could just as easily say he was over 4 feet tall and mean 8. It seems most likely that when describing someone as "over X feet tall" you would use the closest number in feet to their actual height.
I realize that this contradicts other info on the subject in the series, so who's to say if this is the correct reference or the other descriptions of his height are right. I'm inclined towards this reference, as it uses an actual number, instead of a more general description.
Oh, sorry about the previous double post. Things were screwy when I tried to post, and I didn't think it went through the first time.
I realize that this contradicts other info on the subject in the series, so who's to say if this is the correct reference or the other descriptions of his height are right. I'm inclined towards this reference, as it uses an actual number, instead of a more general description.
Oh, sorry about the previous double post. Things were screwy when I tried to post, and I didn't think it went through the first time.
DG also has Leoman, the man who knows Karsa best, saying that Karsa's a teenager. DG's not a very trustworthy book for Karsa info.
