[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Dark Mac;116421 said:

DG also has Leoman, the man who knows Karsa best, saying that Karsa's a teenager. DG's not a very trustworthy book for Karsa info.

Isn't he a teenager? Not in actual years, I know, but in comparative age, I thought he was pretty young for a Teblor.

[Dark Mac]

In comparative years, you could consider him to be. Just like you could call Anomander Rake a young man, if you really wanted to. You wouldn't though, if you knew him well.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Dark Mac;116622 said:

In comparative years, you could consider him to be. Just like you could call Anomander Rake a young man, if you really wanted to. You wouldn't though, if you knew him well.

My point is that Karsa's features are youthful. He looks like a teenager, other than being gigantic. If you just saw a picture of his face, with nothing else in the picture to use for scale, you would think he was 18 or 19. I'm not sure about Rake, I don't remember specifically how he was described as looking in regards to age.

[Dolorous Menhir]

I try and understand Leoman's comment from the viewpoint that Karsa is a Teblor YOUTH. He may have told Leoman he was a child as far as his people were concerned, and Leoman took that to mean he was a teenager.

Although the age Leoman gives is contradicted by later books, the sense of it is not. Karsa is not an adult Teblor, at least not at the time of the HoC first book.

[Dark Mac]

Raymond Luxury Yacht;116635 said:

My point is that Karsa's features are youthful. He looks like a teenager, other than being gigantic. If you just saw a picture of his face, with nothing else in the picture to use for scale, you would think he was 18 or 19. I'm not sure about Rake, I don't remember specifically how he was described as looking in regards to age.

My point is that Leoman has known Karsa for several years at that point, so he would know how old he was by then.

Rake looks eternally young, according to Andarist.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Hetan;116686 said:

I don't understand why everyone thinks that Karsa is bigger than he is.
He is "over seven feet tall"... and not "over eight feet tall".
He is slightly taller than Icarium... who is also described as seven feet tall.


Mappo pulled his gaze away from the dust cloud and studied his friend.
?Next time,? he grunted, ?try belonging to a tribe where everyone?s seven
foot tall.?

Karsa on Icarium : The Teblor was equally frank as he returned the stare. Almost as tall as he was, though leaner. Greyish, green-tinged skin.

I agree with you. The confusion arises from some contradictory passages that I have chosen to ignore.

[Wry]

I never found any contradiction as regards the size of a teblor, as far as i can see the confusion (yet again) comes from people making assumptions that have no basis in "fact" in the story.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Wry;116804 said:

I never found any contradiction as regards the size of a teblor, as far as i can see the confusion (yet again) comes from people making assumptions that have no basis in "fact" in the story.

I think someone earlier in this thread mentioned a quote that said that teblor are as big as a full grown human when born, which would imply they end up much taller than 8 feet. Not sure where it came from. That's pretty contradictory, if I'm remembering correctly. Too lazy to look right now.

Edit: Actually, I looked. Darl Mac said it on the first page of this thread. Not sure where the info came from though.

[Wry]

I remember that passage i thought it said teblor young were that big, not new borns, but i may be wrong. But still teblor aren't human, it makes no sense to assume they grow at the same rate humans do.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Wry;116933 said:

But still teblor aren't human, it makes no sense to assume they grow at the same rate humans do.

This is true, but they are humanoid. The mechanics of birth would be pretty difficult if a full grown teblor was 8 feet tall and gave birth to a 6 foot tall baby. But, like I said, I hold to the 8 foot theory, and disregard contradictions. There are apparently a couple of others in the series.

[Wry]

Aye the other one that seems to give people trouble is the TTT in the well.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Wry;116950 said:

Aye the other one that seems to give people trouble is the TTT in the well.

That one really isn't a contradiction though, as it is full-blooded TTT and the teblor are watered down versions, so it makes sense that they would be smaller.

[Wry]

Lol.. that's what i said too (that and the fact he's got a whopping great demon inside him) but still people confuse them.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

I have to admit my first time reading it I missed the distinction between TTT and teblor, and was a little confused by the scene. I've got it straightened out now. One of the dangers of reading books to fast, you miss a lot of relevant stuff.

[Aptorian]

I somehow refuseto believe that Karsa is merely 8 feet tall. Reread the section where karsa and bairoth attack the coastal city. They jump city walls, run through citygates, ruining masonry, carve through the human press with ease.

I've reread the section where Karsa fights the Edur on the beach, but the closest evidence of his hight is the fact that he flings bodies around like toys. His companion merely calls the edur "tall warriors" while still describing Karsa as "Giant". I haven't read the HoC encounter with the Edur yet though.

But really, every fighting scene gives me the impression of him being at least three meters tall. Karsa isn't an ascendant, so, besides his thick bulk, the superstrength he displays tells me he should be very tall. Not merely half a meter taller than a big human.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

That's another good point. But, like I said, there are plenty of compelling contradictions, with plenty of support for either side of the fence you wish to come down on. It really doesn't matter which side you pick, either way you have to ignore the evidence for the other position.

[Aptorian]

Yeah, Karsa's hight is a sneaky topic that's why I put it in the Q&A thread. I really hope to get a SE response on that one some day.

By the way is the Giant Demon in the well actually called a TTT by Kallam or is it just assumed that it was one because of it being very tall and humanoid?

[Dolorous Menhir]

It's described as one.