[SiriusL]

Yay for new threads!

I was just rereading the part of MoI where (1) Gethol, Hood's Herald, shows up to make an offer to Brukhalian, and (2) the T'lan Imass show up and challenge him and Hood, and (3) Gethol wanders off to the Chained One.

Questions:

1) The T'lan Imass imply strongly that Hood would not dare challenge them. And, indeed, Hood doesn't appear to want to. For some reason I always associate the God of Death with someone very, very powerful. He's old, he's got an apparently inescapable warren, and, well, his aspect is death. How by Hood's hairy ears (sorry) could three Bonecasters challenge him? Am I missing something about just how powerful the Bonecasters are?

2) After Hood kicks Gethol out of his realm, Gethol thinks to himself that he now knows Hood's face, and it's very ironic. :confused: What's the deal, there? Is this something to do with the theory (?) that Hood is a Jaghut? If Hood is a Jaghut, and the T'lan Imass know this and can beat him, why haven't they? If Hood's not a Jaghut, what the hell is Gethol talking about?

Also, Jaghut are superpowerful, so if Bonecasters can challenge Hood, shouldn't Gethol be able to, as well?

[Illuyankas]

The Bonecasters were in constant contact with Kron and the other Imass, so it would be Hood declaring war on the entire Imass population - basically splitting the 'good' guys in two and handing victory to the Crippled God.

[Lord of Salvation]

Yup, Hood wants to defeat the CG as we have seen him take direct action against the CG himself.

And to dessimate a large portion of the "good sides" fighting forces would be very foolish.

[Dark Mac]

SiriusL said:

Also, Jaghut are superpowerful, so if Bonecasters can challenge Hood, shouldn't Gethol be able to, as well?

Some Jaghut are more powerful than others. Hood's probably at the top of the pile, along with Gothos and Raest. I doubt that Gethol is as powerful as Gothos. Hood's powers have likely also increased since becoming the God of Death.

[fan_83]

you have to remember that the imass are somewhat immune to whatever hood can throw at them.. they are already dead.. and their bonecasters are some of the most powerful in the malaz world..
they do not disengage once they commit themselves.. their going undead proves that.. who has the balls to go after a race that is willing to do anything to win.. i mean they basically destroy OP and what makes you think they can;t do the same with hoods warren.. not to mention that hes only a god and if a couple of clans of imass chooses to breach his warren.. hood is dead meat

[Lord of Salvation]

This post is off topic but it seems that my reply will get answered here the quickest.

Well I was scrolling down the page and my eyes swept past some of the other boards, specifically Bonehunters, Midnitght Tides, and House of Chains, those being the three books I havent read as of yet.

And to my shock and terror, one threads title was more or less a spoiler. I did not dare go check it out for fear of my woes being confirmed.

But the one I am talking about is in the Bonehunters board and its titled Seguelha second. And it looks to almost pinpoint who that individual is by listing names, and I dont want to be spoiled by some confirmation discussion.

I have heard that this is a long standing mystery that doesnt get revealed until WAY later in the series and I dont want to know about it until I read it.

And please dont make any confirmation by saying "its not one of them" or "it is one of them" because I dont want the choices narrowed down that way PLEASE.

In a round about way Admins I guess I am asking for you to ask the poster to change the title, and make sure titles dont carry any spoilers EVEN for the last three book Boards, because on my screen all six appear at once so it is unavoidable to see them at the same time.

THANKS

[Folken]

no need to reply to LoS here. continue onwards...PM him if u want to discuss it.

[Dark Mac]

fan_83 said:

you have to remember that the imass are somewhat immune to whatever hood can throw at them.. they are already dead.. and their bonecasters are some of the most powerful in the malaz world..
they do not disengage once they commit themselves.. their going undead proves that.. who has the balls to go after a race that is willing to do anything to win.. i mean they basically destroy OP and what makes you think they can;t do the same with hoods warren.. not to mention that hes only a god and if a couple of clans of imass chooses to breach his warren.. hood is dead meat

They destroy OP? According to MoI, all they do is infiltrate it. Where does it say they destroy the Warren? And how would they do such a thing, anyway?

[Lord of Salvation]

I was wondering the ^^ above also, but didnt want any spoilers so I kept my mouth shut.

We know they infiltrate it for sure, and as the end of MoI confirms OP is still existant just only sparcely used, well used constantly just not by many people/Jagut.

[tiam]

i think he meant that it wasnt destroyed but was slowlybeing killed by Tellan sorceries. At the end of moi (SPOILERS IF YOU HAVENT READ THIS FAR) the Pannion Seer opens OP inside Burn were the imass cant get to it and this , in time, would let it heal.

Also a Imass Bonecaster can take out many gods. Hood is the most powerful non elder god but against 3 imass BC he would have no chance. They are elder creations that could likely beat Hood. In GOTM Tool says that if Raest enslaved an Imass BCX then they could ' challenge the god and kille most of them'

[Lord of Salvation]

Raest could probably challenge many gods all by himself and prevail, so long as he wasnt stacked up against the Elders.

But add a Bonecaster in the fray and who knows the outcome. He would definitely be a match for one, I dont know if he could destroy the eldest among them but who knows?

[Rahvinn]

Hey, new to the forums, just re read as far as Bonehunters and understand a lot more.

Hood, God of Death; wasn't his warren created at the time of K'rul's shaping?
There has to have always been a hold of Death, the warren came after, there is no mention of hood being replaced ever as far as i recall, so how can he called anything other than Elder?

With regards to the Imass, they are not nearly as powerful as they are made out to be. With the binding of the Telann warren to each Imass they gained immortality, which made them fearless of Hood who cannot claim them, they also lost a large portion of their power
Before the Ritual the mortal Imass rose up and overthrew the Jhag tyrants who were as powerful as Raest or near enough. Later it is revealed that some Jhagut alone are capable of destroying tens of thousands of Imass alone, this includes Bonecasters. Raest alone crippled Silannah and her 5 kin; his warren kept him together

Back to the orginional two points:
Raest + controlled Bonecaster = unstopable
and
Three Bonecasters able to defeat Hood

Firstly, back in his day Raest would rival most powers, in the current day his is a middling Ascendant, one of Tasychrmmes demons would've torn lumps out of him remmeber the damage one did to Rake?
On the point of Bonecasters posessed would rival the gods; recall the mage who went mad in the Ortaratal mines and opened a massive rend and had immense powers due to his loss of control? With Otmose P. being chanelld through one binded to the warren of Tellan the Imass body would be able to sustain a massive unvieling, but Tool is exaggerating the power of Raest which while formidabble would be sorely tested by many.

With regard to the 2nd point i agree that the three Bonecasters were not only refering to themselves for if they posessed the power to rival the God of Death how would any Jhag still live anywhere? I believe he was referring to the thousanands of Imass swirling in the dust.
Plus the Imass could sunder the realm of Hood, it would cost them dearly but they could literlaly destroy Hoods realm
Gods do love to mess with others realms

[Folken]

Okay crazy theory alert:

So I know we've all said Hood is Jaghut...now consider this

Hood's releam in Gardens of the Moon is described to be hot
Gethol refers to it as "ironic" when he finds out Hood's identity

Hot = fire stuff and business - thus Imass
Ironic = Imass knelt before Jag before eh? :eek3: yes? no? maybe?

I don't know im high off air:p

[Dolorous Menhir]

Can't really argue with most of your post, but this point:

Rahvinn said:

Hood, God of Death; wasn't his warren created at the time of K'rul's shaping?There has to have always been a hold of Death, the warren came after, there is no mention of hood being replaced ever as far as i recall, so how can he called anything other than Elder?

Monok Ochem mentions in HoC that the mortal Imass lived "before Hood". He has not been King of HHDeath forever - he is not an Elder god.

[fan_83]

rahvinn: please reread some of the books again.. some of what you are saying in just plain wrong...
the imass undergone the ritual because they can;t win against the janghut as mortal.. the weakness of flesh that needs food and shelter allowed them to be defeated by the janghut due to OP.. bu going undead, they manage to track and hunt janghut down until close to extinction
none of tay demon would be able to actually kill reast.. and rake was only pressed against the demon.. in soletaken form, rake is bigger than the demon lord.. so rake is not only uninjured but is only hard pressed against the demon lord before he kebabed it,, also you forgot about the fact that rake decided to went toe to toe instead of annihilating it from afar.. rake is after all the only master archmage in existance in the malaz world.. he has the power and ability to turn the demon lord in steaming piles

reast is more than a middling ascendent.. he defeated a pure blood dragon and 5 other soletaken dragon alone without his finnest which contains the majority of his power.. he has enough power to kill burn as he stated himself when he just awoke..

tool is the first sword of the imass,... he and his kind has spent 300000 hunting down janghuts.. please explain to me why would tool wants to exxagarate? i mean tool is an undead, he has no need or want for anything that reast can give him.. also if tool is exxagarating why is he chosen? cos hes clanless?