[tiam]

maybe ok crazy theory.

the azath are his children. or his child. maybe he inherited the deadhouse and that explains tempers connection as otherwise his mentioning is completely random.

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in NOK temper becomes the outer guardian of DG. so maybe that what he meant because the dead house and therefore the azath are failing. according to cotillion the azath are losing control of their power

[edit] not everyone have read NoK, that should not be so difficult to consider when writing - Morgoth

[Dolorous Menhir]

Nonsense, the Azath are much older than Kellanved.

[sarlinspellweaver]

I meant more in the context of:

"The old heart of the Malazan Empire was wounded, and he did not expect it to survive much longer."

It just sounds like it might be applicable to the Deadhouse. But as I said, I'm not sure of the context of this remark at this exact moment, so it could be utter rubbish.

[Dravon]

K&D are not gay. SE's writing is filled with men having deep,close, and meaningful relationship with one another, Iccy/mappo, QB/kam, Tel/Bug, Karsa/leoman( accualy karsa has had alot), Tool/ Toc..ect and it having zero to do with sex. My guess is that SE has had a very good buddy in his life and is drawing from that when he writes( maybe ICE?).

And yes there has been male homosexual char's the Erent and i think a few of the priest's have been described as liking boys.

And as for the third person who was there from the start Surly (aka the Empress) was certainly there from the start as she was the waitress in K&D's bar. And i always took the ST's child statment as being the empire.

[polishgenius]

Dravon said:

And as for the third person who was there from the start Surly (aka the Empress) was certainly there from the start as she was the waitress in K&D's bar.

I haven't got the quote to hand, but I'm pretty sure it makes pretty specific reference to 'before even Surly' but I could be wrong.

I don't think there's any referenced man/man sexual relationships (he certainly has a lot of close friendships - Whiskeyjack/Dujek, Mappo/Icarium, Dancer/Kellanved, Quick/Kalam, Fiddler/Hedge - but there's no reference I can see to anything else), though there's certainly a few ladies... was I the only one who thought Picker and Blend got it on? I'm thinking specifically of the scene at the Barghast camp in MoI.

[Dolorous Menhir]

There's been a few instances of gay characters - the Errant and the Chancellor, I thought Buruk the Pale was gay/bi, Karsa killed two men in bed together during one of his rampages. Nothing else springs to mind.

Picker & Blend were definitely a couple, it's confirmed during one of their POV's.

[tiam]

is it confirmed or just hinted. i thought there was just the quote in the barghast camp were blend hooks her arm round picker and goes 'its all up to what night hides.'?

sarlinspellweaver said:

I meant more in the context of:

"The old heart of the Malazan Empire was wounded, and he did not expect it to survive much longer."

It just sounds like it might be applicable to the Deadhouse. But as I said, I'm not sure of the context of this remark at this exact moment, so it could be utter rubbish.

Yes i completely agree to this. the old heart must be the dead house. it was the 'unassailabe base of operations' mentioned in HOC.

Also the 3rd person is definitely not surly. the quote is

'before Dujek before even Surly' by apsalar this is on drift avalii. another fact supporting thats its dassem is apsalars viewpoint in DG when fiddler asks why dancer never showed himself to them. it said that dancer only trusted mortal kellenved and dassem ultor.

[Tiste Simeon]

I don't think they were. Corrabb though... he blatantly was til his heart was broken...

[tiam]

no corrab was just close like iccy and mappo. the insinuation is that leoman is a bit of a womaniser

[Tiste Simeon]

I never said Leoman was gay. I think the fact that Corrabb immediately hates the first woman to come properly close to Leoman in a long time (as a companion as well as just a whore...) says something...

[tiam]

yeh but corrabbs viewpoint is that he had taken a few women although not the same ones as leoman if you remember

[Dolorous Menhir]

Picker thinks of Blend as "my love" during a POV towards the MoI - the scene when Rake meets the few surviving BB's and claims the honour of walking out of Coral with them.

[Illuyankas]

I thought it was Blend who thought of Picker as 'my love' in a scene with Envy in the keep... Meh, same thing.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Yeah, I looked it up, it was Blend - page 1111.

[Tiste Simeon]

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yeh but corrabbs viewpoint is that he had taken a few women although not the same ones as leoman if you remember

I thought that he said somewhere he wasn't happy with it though...

[Illuyankas]

No one likes seeing their hero figure as human, with flaws and whatnot.

[tiam]

yeh i feel it was a recognition of Corrabbs devotion not desire to leoman. I beleive with his assessment of Dunsparrow i beleive hes just jealous of dunsparrow

[Tiste Simeon]

Meh. It was just a thought. I figured it might have been something like that I just thought I would put it before you...

[tiam]

lol ure proabably right i just like a good arguement/moan