[Illuyankas]

Well, we could be really pedantic and point out how Draconus knew he was going to be killed by Dragnipur, thanks to Kallor's curse, so changed it from some soul-erasing blade to the whole wagon setup.

Oh, and Daemon? What if the kamikaze pilots couldn't find their targets and had to return to base? No sense in wasting perfectly good pilots just to save a bit of cash, if their landings messed up.

[fan_83]

dejim feeds on human blood and that the NO are required for their ability to saturate the prison with enough magic to cause otatarel to form.. so they also happen to be dejim's snack as well..

regarding the kamikaze pilots: how do they miss their targets, i mean that they jsut have to follow those who are going to bomb the targets

[Illuyankas]

Bad intelligence, poor weather conditions, etc. Quite simple really.

[QuickBenDelat]

Hey Everyone! Knew to the forum

Why does everyone think that Rake is #1?
What about CG? All the ascendants and the elder gods came together and couldnt even destroy him. They were only able to chain him.

CG is the uber most powerful being in Wu, no questions!
I think there was a quote stating that the CG was to powerfull to destroy

[tiam]

i dont think so. apparently hes a an EG and therefore an elemental who no one knows hw to kill. We always go on about how rake would get completely raped by silchas (if youll pardon the expression) because of the whole blood thing. but surely that only has relation to silchas's soletaken form? no doubt in a fight they would probably revert to that form but if it was sword fighting contest (or sword fight even) or a mage battle rake would probably win.

[fan_83]

the problem is that the cg is an elemental force and so far no way has been foudn to kill them yet..
therefore the cg is only chained to buy time..

and i believe rake will pawn silchas, call it a personal bias, but you don;t see silchas with teh huge amount of titles like rake has, and that silchas followers desecendent worship rake instead of silchas

[Dark Mac]

fan_83 said:

dejim feeds on human blood and that the NO are required for their ability to saturate the prison with enough magic to cause otatarel to form.. so they also happen to be dejim's snack as well..

IIRC, when Dejim attacks the Malazan Marine he goes for the horse first, just because it's bigger. In that case, size is all that matters.

The sacrifice of the mages was likely willing though - they would've fought back, and most likely won, if they'd wanted to.

fan_83 said:

the problem is that the cg is an elemental force and so far no way has been foudn to kill them yet..
therefore the cg is only chained to buy time..

and i believe rake will pawn silchas, call it a personal bias, but you don;t see silchas with teh huge amount of titles like rake has, and that silchas followers desecendent worship rake instead of silchas

Silchas doesn't have followers or titles because he's been stuck in a hole for several hundred thousand years. No doubt the world would look very different if it had contained an active Silchas Ruin (slayer of Forkrul Assail).

[tiam]

yeh likely he would have become the leader of the tiste andii already on th world. rake would have faed into obscurity like darist i think. or maybe travelled with brood

[fan_83]

not possible: rake has a group of andii with him who first came to wu due to their dislike of light and shadow.. that group is rakes.. silchas group came much later due to lookign for a better place to stay i think..

and rake is too powerful to fade into obscurity

[Abyss]

Couple of divers(e) points...

- We do know Draconus was expecting aid from Envy when he fought Rake. And we know Rake took Dragnipur from Draconus, which leads me to believe he wasn't using it when they fought. There was more going on here than two dudes going at it with swords. And anyways, Wolverine would have kicked both their asses. Blindfolded. And drunk.


- Blood of powerful beings has power. This point has been made again and again. 12 goats do not have the same 'power' as 12 (11) High Mages and Priests. Dejim needed a good meal before he'd be powerful enough to take on Iccy and Mappo. Those 11 knew they were d'ivers chow. They thought Spite was on board, in that fanatic Nameless One sort of way, but she had her own agenda.

- Mostly dead and missing a chunk of his power, Raest took on four draconean soletaken and a pureblood. The food chain is a flexible place.

- Abyss, will never take a 'ho'd win' seriously.

[Dark Mac]

Abyss said:

- Blood of powerful beings has power. This point has been made again and again. 12 goats do not have the same 'power' as 12 (11) High Mages and Priests. Dejim needed a good meal before he'd be powerful enough to take on Iccy and Mappo. Those 11 knew they were d'ivers chow. They thought Spite was on board, in that fanatic Nameless One sort of way, but she had her own agenda.

Again: so then why is Dejim hungrier for a horse than a person?

And Rake would kill Wolverine before you can say "decapitated".

[Illuyankas]

Bigger target = bigger threat. Especially considering a horse kicks damned hard, and an unarmed women? Pfft. Still, didn't expect that from Masani.

And the Hulk tore Wolverine in half in a recent comic, so I'm not so sure that'd kill him now...

[Dolorous Menhir]

I think it's more that the horse represented a larger food supply, and so was a higher priority. Clearly it didn't consider Gilani a threat, or was in such a hunger-induced confusion that it didn't think things through.

[Dark Mac]

Dolorous Menhir said:

I think it's more that the horse represented a larger food supply, and so was a higher priority.

Yeah, that's my point. The horse is a bigger food supply than the person. So, as I said earlier, the NO would've done just as well to use animals instead of mages.

[Illuyankas]

The horse was a bigger food supply than the random, unpowered human. It'd be a different story if she was ascended or close to it. If it had been Aps in the saddle, they'd have gone for her first.

[fan_83]

i think at that time, the dejim are too far gone to fully comprehend that far, in the descrippie, he was nearly a mindless animal again and is goign on predatory instincts which is to kill the big stuff first..

perhaps the blood on animals work,. but in a very limited sense : ie: too little power or whatever in it that makes human blood special to the elder gods, or aspect that dejim feeds on..

[Dinivan]

I think that the 11 mages DN killed after resurrection were sufficient to create 6 others of himself (to make seven) (though i don't know how much he ate on his way to pursuit Mappo&Iccy, so you could easily prove me wrong). Later in the books he wants to kill a whole caravan of merchants+animals and only reckons that they will make 2 ones of himself. So the Mage blood would be way more potent than that of others.