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And, I also won't deny Rake the title of the better swordfighter ... but that is imo not the ultimate measure of power ...
Lady Spite & use of S D power.
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Posted 15 May 2006 - 02:24 PM
But as far as I know your opponent only needs to be injured by Dragnipur for his soul to be imprisoned. Wasn't it so with the hound in GotM (man, I need to re-read the whole series)? So it helps much: it's easier to cut someone than to stab him.
And, I also won't deny Rake the title of the better swordfighter ... but that is imo not the ultimate measure of power ...
And, I also won't deny Rake the title of the better swordfighter ... but that is imo not the ultimate measure of power ...
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Posted 15 May 2006 - 05:33 PM
and so history shows that rake manage to disarm draconus and gets his hand on dragnipir without a nick, therefore its no biggie for him to then kebab draconus with his own sword..
and look back at gotm: the way hairlock and calot describes rake.. his multitute of titles and the only one to be called arch mage..
does that not tell you of his level of power..
also look at baruks description of him..
rake is considered one of the most uber in the malaz world
and look back at gotm: the way hairlock and calot describes rake.. his multitute of titles and the only one to be called arch mage..
does that not tell you of his level of power..
also look at baruks description of him..
rake is considered one of the most uber in the malaz world
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Posted 15 May 2006 - 05:36 PM
Well, duh. I don't think anyone is denying that Rake is powerful. Are they?
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Posted 15 May 2006 - 07:10 PM
Daemon said:
And, I also won't deny Rake the title of the better swordfighter ... but that is imo not the ultimate measure of power ...
I do not think Rake won that fight solely because of his better skill with the sword. There are uncounted ways to avoid a sword fight if one has the means to, but seemingly Draconus had not or he simply did overestimate himself, which does not make it any better.
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Posted 15 May 2006 - 07:20 PM
Well I wont dispute that point, as far as top of the heap goes Rake is right up there. and yes the sword is just a prison other than that its just a well made big sword.
When everything came to a head in MOI he shifted and used raw CG to fight not the sword.
Nice thing about his character is the fact he is reluctant to fight unless he has to, He like's to acces the situation ,he aint dashing around with a chip on his shoulder. as per his visit to the Seguleh when he figured out that this would never end he retired from the field.
The only reason He got involved in mortal affairs to start with was because he beleived his people needed these causes because at the time they had non of their own to stave of the enui of such a long life, sad realy when you think obout it.
Now though they seem to be waking up as per Sandalaths coment to Tavore.
and Yes Fan I agree, Silchas owned, the T god's totaly when he got free and was fully armed {which req'd Kettlel's help}, my point was that if they had got loose before he did and the halfblood Toblakai not been there to hold them off Silchas would have been a sitting duck he admitted as much to Kettle plus he had to make a deal with the Azath house too.
As a side note SE seems to put forward in his books that it matters not how small and inefectual some of the characters might be sometimes, all it takes is a finger in the dike to avert disaster.
When everything came to a head in MOI he shifted and used raw CG to fight not the sword.
Nice thing about his character is the fact he is reluctant to fight unless he has to, He like's to acces the situation ,he aint dashing around with a chip on his shoulder. as per his visit to the Seguleh when he figured out that this would never end he retired from the field.
The only reason He got involved in mortal affairs to start with was because he beleived his people needed these causes because at the time they had non of their own to stave of the enui of such a long life, sad realy when you think obout it.
Now though they seem to be waking up as per Sandalaths coment to Tavore.
and Yes Fan I agree, Silchas owned, the T god's totaly when he got free and was fully armed {which req'd Kettlel's help}, my point was that if they had got loose before he did and the halfblood Toblakai not been there to hold them off Silchas would have been a sitting duck he admitted as much to Kettle plus he had to make a deal with the Azath house too.
As a side note SE seems to put forward in his books that it matters not how small and inefectual some of the characters might be sometimes, all it takes is a finger in the dike to avert disaster.
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 06:20 AM
tiam:
Imho, after long preparations, Tayschrenn, Quick Ben, Iskaral Pust, or Mogora could stand toe-to-toe with Rake - for a time, anyway. The Ceda's power was largely due to a lenghty ritual (see him huddled on the floor for days).
Imho, after long preparations, Tayschrenn, Quick Ben, Iskaral Pust, or Mogora could stand toe-to-toe with Rake - for a time, anyway. The Ceda's power was largely due to a lenghty ritual (see him huddled on the floor for days).
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 09:49 AM
But when did we see Rakes impressing magical power in its full extend? Maybe all about his powers is mostly speculation? This would again reduce him to more or less his sword skill. Very crazy statement, I do not really believe myself. But it is still time for him to show up und kick some very powerfull butts, isn't it? Whereas QB, the Ceda and Tays all gave us little demonstrations of their power, having flaws though.
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 11:32 AM
Daemon said:
But when did we see Rakes impressing magical power in its full extend? Maybe all about his powers is mostly speculation? This would again reduce him to more or less his sword skill. Very crazy statement, I do not really believe myself. But it is still time for him to show up und kick some very powerfull butts, isn't it? Whereas QB, the Ceda and Tays all gave us little demonstrations of their power, having flaws though.
What's with people questioning the power of major characters? First someone starts arguing the Bonecasters aren't all that for no apparent reason, and now people are doubting ANOMANDER RAKE?
The only person to kill a Hound of Shadow - and he did two at once.
Slayer of an Elder God.
Singlehandedly resisted Tayschrenn, Bellurdan, Nightchill, A'karonys, Tattersail, Calot, Hairlock - his mere presence enough to delay this assault for over two years.
The Son of Darkness, First Child of Mother Dark (maybe). Knight of High House Darkness.
Rake's power shouldn't be in doubt.
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 11:42 AM
is everyone getting infected with anti rake this days?
if rake power is such a sham, then why is he so feared, he alone without any long preparation faced down 3 high mages and a cadre of squad mages at pale. he then wacked tay down(weaken, not killed) and he did not suffer any damage at all.. during that attack, he killed the demons loosed by tay as well asdestroyed the seventh(i think)
and at dahru, he killed a demon lord without using his power
at moi in dragon form he unleashed pure KG..
is that not enough power release for you? and this is all his work alone without any long lengthy preparation to boost his powers..
do you really think tay, qb, isakarel stand a chance?
come on.. iskarel might be powerful, but against rake who is confident of taking of ST + 5 hounds. whats the mage of shadow to him?
ceda along might have a chance once he got his ritual going.. but thats it.. tay was beat down at pale vs rake..
and qb already admitted htat in terms of power output, he lags rake big time..
if rake power is such a sham, then why is he so feared, he alone without any long preparation faced down 3 high mages and a cadre of squad mages at pale. he then wacked tay down(weaken, not killed) and he did not suffer any damage at all.. during that attack, he killed the demons loosed by tay as well asdestroyed the seventh(i think)
and at dahru, he killed a demon lord without using his power
at moi in dragon form he unleashed pure KG..
is that not enough power release for you? and this is all his work alone without any long lengthy preparation to boost his powers..
do you really think tay, qb, isakarel stand a chance?
come on.. iskarel might be powerful, but against rake who is confident of taking of ST + 5 hounds. whats the mage of shadow to him?
ceda along might have a chance once he got his ritual going.. but thats it.. tay was beat down at pale vs rake..
and qb already admitted htat in terms of power output, he lags rake big time..
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 12:57 PM
Back on topic, the creature was still warded with layers of magic of the mages and it was weak from several millenia of imprisonment.
Sister Spite killed their wards with otataral, ran and left her devastated colleagues for Nebrahl. Her colleagues were still praying. Nobody is convincing me those were 11 utter morons who didn't expect the uberdemon to be powerful and hungry. They thought themselves safe otherwise they wouldn't do it that way.
SS undid the protection and made sure DJ had some powerful beings to feed on thus making him stronger.
Sister Spite killed their wards with otataral, ran and left her devastated colleagues for Nebrahl. Her colleagues were still praying. Nobody is convincing me those were 11 utter morons who didn't expect the uberdemon to be powerful and hungry. They thought themselves safe otherwise they wouldn't do it that way.
SS undid the protection and made sure DJ had some powerful beings to feed on thus making him stronger.
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 01:08 PM
Whelp said:
tiam:
Imho, after long preparations, Tayschrenn, Quick Ben, Iskaral Pust, or Mogora could stand toe-to-toe with Rake - for a time, anyway. The Ceda's power was largely due to a lenghty ritual (see him huddled on the floor for days).
Imho, after long preparations, Tayschrenn, Quick Ben, Iskaral Pust, or Mogora could stand toe-to-toe with Rake - for a time, anyway. The Ceda's power was largely due to a lenghty ritual (see him huddled on the floor for days).
Tay was beaten at moons spawn althoug hi see your point of how he just defended and never really attacked.
QB already knows he couldnt last long against rake.
Iskaral pust- honestly iskaral pust? ok we see a more powerful side to him in BH but seriosly he just took on DN (who was killed by a marine with a knife) also rake cleary beleives he could kill ST the rope and the hounds. its like saying he could kill the god but not the acolyte.
Mogora- i just reread her bit in BH. very mysterious granted but again although shes clearly powerful in the old ways of magic, in sheer power rake would win.
weres all the rake fans gone
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 01:08 PM
Whelp said:
tiam:
Imho, after long preparations, Tayschrenn, Quick Ben, Iskaral Pust, or Mogora could stand toe-to-toe with Rake - for a time, anyway. The Ceda's power was largely due to a lenghty ritual (see him huddled on the floor for days).
Imho, after long preparations, Tayschrenn, Quick Ben, Iskaral Pust, or Mogora could stand toe-to-toe with Rake - for a time, anyway. The Ceda's power was largely due to a lenghty ritual (see him huddled on the floor for days).
Tay was beaten at moons spawn althoug hi see your point of how he just defended and never really attacked.
QB already knows he couldnt last long against rake.
Iskaral pust- honestly iskaral pust? ok we see a more powerful side to him in BH but seriosly he just took on DN (who was killed by a marine with a knife) also rake cleary beleives he could kill ST the rope and the hounds. its like saying he could kill the god but not the acolyte.
Mogora- i just reread her bit in BH. very mysterious granted but again although shes clearly powerful in the old ways of magic, in sheer power rake would win.
weres all the rake fans gone
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 03:52 PM
I guess it wont really be resolved until we witness Rake at full power. All we have are rumours of his power, people are scared but no one has really tested him in a long while. I wonder wether Karsa could give him a run for his money? Though i guess Rake has the advantage of being able to transform into his draconic form
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 04:09 PM
@tiam whats with the two copies of a post? that's the second i've seen from you in as many days...
@Rake-doubters: Rake is clearly one of the most powerful beings in Wu, of all the charcaters we have seen Rake ranks near the top, and definitely over any human (except possibly T'riss), check Kallor's sig as well...
@Danyah
The way I read it all the NO's had gone there to free Dejim, and then die giving him there power, they were praying because they KNEW they were going to die, Spite's betrayal was that she did not die with them.
@Rake-doubters: Rake is clearly one of the most powerful beings in Wu, of all the charcaters we have seen Rake ranks near the top, and definitely over any human (except possibly T'riss), check Kallor's sig as well...
@Danyah
The way I read it all the NO's had gone there to free Dejim, and then die giving him there power, they were praying because they KNEW they were going to die, Spite's betrayal was that she did not die with them.
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 09:09 PM
and spite wouldn;t have died unless she chose to be eaten anyway.. her mere presence and power is more than enough to kill dejim on her own.
also dejim feeds on blood, it doesn;t matter if the victim is an old man or a powerful mage,.
its jsut blood
and i am pro rake all the way
also dejim feeds on blood, it doesn;t matter if the victim is an old man or a powerful mage,.
its jsut blood
and i am pro rake all the way
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Posted 16 May 2006 - 11:23 PM
Do we know it doesn't matter how powerful the "blood" is? Perhaps it does?
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Posted 17 May 2006 - 08:17 AM
very doubtful, due to the nature of how dejim is made.. its designed to be an elder god and this feeds on blood, if its dependent on the powerful of blood, then it would have spawned another of its kind after eating 11 high mages
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Posted 17 May 2006 - 09:17 AM
Why would the NO's sacrifice themselves if they could sacrifice 10 goats. Guess 10 high mages are quite usefull to have around no?
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Posted 17 May 2006 - 01:48 PM
Just one comment pertaining to Rake,
The first to die are the stupid, the weak, the ignorant, and the unprepared. If you live through the first few battles then your survivability quotient goes up luck is good but those who depend on it allways end up loosing sooner or later.
How long has Rake been around Looooooooooong Tiiiiiiiiiiime. Same with Spite and Envy and a few others.
Fools rush in where Angels fear to tread...
The first to die are the stupid, the weak, the ignorant, and the unprepared. If you live through the first few battles then your survivability quotient goes up luck is good but those who depend on it allways end up loosing sooner or later.
How long has Rake been around Looooooooooong Tiiiiiiiiiiime. Same with Spite and Envy and a few others.
Fools rush in where Angels fear to tread...
