[Smiles]

While thinking about the race subject, I came across this again from tBH

Ganath, after being attacked by the K'Chain Nah'Ruk says they are the 'servants of machines' and 'of order'.


By kind words of Hetan, stick Forkrul in the middle, Balance - peace, no survivors.

There does seem to be a strong dividing line in SE hints on deeper forces at work.

Those with chaos were/are the
K'Chain Che'Malle

and those serving the Chained God, such as the Edur.

Any other racial affiliations?
Makes me wonder if we will see some form of chaos and order clash.

[Smiles]

No way! Doh.
I did get that impression, but now, will edit post... Doh!!!

[Dolorous Menhir]

Order-Chaos
KCNR-KCCM

Dark-Shadow-Light
TA-TE-TL

Ice-Fire
Jaghut-Imass

Balance
FA

Note that among these brackets each race fights with the others, except the FA, which are alone in their bracket but seem willing to take on everyone else. (racial interactions not limited to these rules, just the most defining behaviours)

Note also that humans do not appear to have a defining racial characteristic along these lines, and thus they also lack an enemy with the opposite character.

[Smiles]

Well defined

So this brings us back to some of the elementals.

What mainly struck was the words of Ganath concerning the machines. From tBH and other books the Imperial Warren would appear to belong to the KCNR (given all the buried mechanisms). It damn intriguing!

I used to think that the Imperial Warren was the continent destroyed by Kallor, that K'rul took into himself and the ash was the remains of the people/buildings etc...

[Blind]

And Kallor possibly used those mechanisms in order to destroy the continent.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Danyah said:

I don't like the order-chaos split between the KC. Doesn't feel good.

Yeah, but that's what we are directly told by Ganath in the text. Though her knowledge is old, and she wasn't given much time to form a new opinion of the Nah'ruk before they killed her, there's still no reason to doubt it is accurate.

As for the Imperial Warren, what seems to have happened is that it (Kaschan) lay dormant after the extinction of the KCCM, and K'rul somehow folded the surface of Jacuruku into this empty warren, Kaschan, he didn't create a whole new warren for that purpose.

Also consider a link - Kallor is widely speculated to have used KCCM devices/magic to lay waste to Jacuruku. This means that Kaschan was probably used in its destruction, and so it was natural for K'rul to use Kaschan in removing the problem, no?

Also, is Kaschan the correct term for the KCCM racial warren? It's the Edur term, and is just a distortion of "K'Chain", whereas other racial warrens do not share names with their races. Given the generally dodgy history of the Edur, and other examples of misremembered names (the Teblor and the Krussail), maybe Kaschan is better known by another name (apart from "the Imperial Warren")?

[Dolorous Menhir]

Well, because it's the official Warren of the Malazan Empire, obviously - even though their claim to it seems tenuous now.

I don't think Kallor's history is at all widely known, or people would be a lot less willing to trust him or consider him an ally (as they did before MoI). So that's not going to be the source of any generally used name.

edit: What is "discrepantion", Danyah?

[PannionDude]

Yah, I agree...the 'Imperial Warren' is now officially the KCNR warren, and if Laseen doesn't like it she can talk to the skykeeps.

Brood, at least, knew Kallor's history, unless he tuned him out. Kallor tells him in MOI. Something like "Commadned hundreds of thousands, burned continents to ash, sat on tall thrones".

[Dolorous Menhir]

I thought everyone knew that quote by heart...

[Asandir]

Just getting back to the Order/Chaos theory and this is just a thought.
Order E'res/ Chaos FA
The E'res seems to interact with the peeps and is trying to help them.
The FA's way of bringing peace is total annihalating the opposing sides. Yes/No

[Dolorous Menhir]

No way are the FA Chaos. Totally different thing from Chaos.

And it's hard to assign a concrete aspect to the Eres, what is their defining racial characteristic?

[Sir Thursday]

Eres are time travellers...or at least the one that we see is. The opposite of time is space...but I don't think any of the races can be said to be space-manipulators. Maybe KCCM/NR, whose aspect is gravity?

Vox