[Cluracan AbSylvas]

If Udinaas was sharing his body with a Wyvval wouldn't he have draconic blood, thus completing the "both sides need to have draconian blood for Rud to be draconian" equation?

-- Clu

[Abyss]

Rud was definitely draconian, non? I mean, in MT it seemed pretty clear the Imass spirits were wondering at what point he was going to eat them...

- Abyss, and you think YOUR family has problems...

[Abyss]

Hmmm... yet another draconic soletaken unaccounted for as of the 'modern' books.

And, correct me if i'm wrong, he's the only mortal/human-blooded one we know of. (I'm assuming EG's don't count, as they're neither human nor mortal, tho perhaps human aspected.)

Presumably Olar was mortal/Imass when she drank from Tiam, which i suppose fogs the issue.

- Abyss, needs fog lights.

[Imperial Historian]

Re: the whole draconean inheritance thing, though both parents having draconean blood to pass it on seems likely, this does not necisitate the offspring being draconean soletaken... note Envy and Spite, Spite is soletaken, Envy is not. Presumably the draconean gene is recessive...

I wouldn't even be sure that nimander and phaed are soletaken, we've seem nothing to indicate it so far, and until we do I will remain a sceptic (Phaed certainly seems unlikely to be draconean, Nimander who was seemingly absent from the island when the edur came may well be)

The soletaken draconeans seem to have adopted aspects simmilar to the eleint, but whilst the eleint are aspected to elemental forces, the majority of the soletaken are aspecte dot a particular race.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Imperial Historian said:

note Envy and Spite, Spite is soletaken, Envy is not.

Do we know that for sure? That Envy isn't an Eleint Soletaken?

[tiam]

whilst im glad my inheritance theory s havng a warm reception i must note i posted something at the begining of the year that just came back to me.

Tiam as far as we know ressurects herself. But how? i mean well how? it cant be as simple of just coming back to life as that would be to staraight forward and non eriksonish. This led me to comment on tiams rebirth.

Originally she spawned a load of dragons ( hundreds maybe an even 1000) these lived in SD with her blah blah blah. Ok so maybe her rebirth isnt to do with the actual body of tiam resurecting. Myabe it is metaphorical. Such as tiams blood. Every time some one drinks the blood of the eleint and becomes a soletaken they also get sum of tiam due to inheritance and therefore technically tiam is reborn. I have no evidence of this however. Feel free to rip it apart

[Imperial Historian]

My favourite theory on Tiams deaths for all her births was this, her offspring must tear there way out of her to be born, killing her in the process, and there dracoean-ness comes from drinking her blood on the way out. She is then reborn from the remains, due to some fundamental force, possibly she is like the Eres and jus goes back to the time when she is still alive or something

The soletaken also drink her blood and obtain draconeanness, also killing her.

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Do we know that for sure? That Envy isn't an Eleint Soletaken?

I think we can safely assume so because a) we've never seen her veer and She appears to be stopped by the sea of ice when she woudl have been able to fly over it if draconean

[Dolorous Menhir]

That makes me wonder, we've seen Quick Ben fly/hover on a number of occasions (rooftops in GotM, playing in Serc with Talamandas in MoI). Why can't other magic users do the same?

I get the impression Envy doesn't use human warrens, so she shouldn't be restricted to one style of magic.

Anyway, I'd quite like to see Envy in dragon form, it would be interesting. She would probably remain very lady-like. What colour would she be?

[Illuyankas]

And abandon her servants?

Have we ever seen her REALLY tested? If she wasn't Soletaken, she probably wouldn't have that much of a chance against Spite, and Spite would be much more certain of victory. Besides, we haven't seen K'rul or Draconus veer, yet we know that they're draconean Soletaken.

[Dark Mac]

Dolorous Menhir said:

That makes me wonder, we've seen Quick Ben fly/hover on a number of occasions (rooftops in GotM, playing in Serc with Talamandas in MoI). Why can't other magic users do the same?

Well, we do see the Andii floating down to fight Quick's demon in GotM as well. I assume that flying just isn't a very useful skill outside of cities.

[vaiski]

Dolorous Menhir said:

I get the impression Envy doesn't use human warrens, so she shouldn't be restricted to one style of magic.

Yeah, in MoI she appears to use Kurald Galain at one point, based on the description. (Toc's PoV)

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'Lady Envy’s sorcery...As in legends of old, hers was a power that rolled in broad waves, stripping the life from all it swept over, devouring rank upon rank, street by street, leaving bodies piled in their hundreds.'(MoI mmpb, p.496)

[fan_83]

envy is probably not a soletaken.. but she do use human warrens...
stealing poliels disease by accessing her warren..

envy is probably a very capable and powerful mage...
that should balance out against spite draconian advantage

ps: serc is ahrd to use cause of inactive draconian to stabilise the warren i think

[Morgoth]

hardly, as Ossrec is still alive..

And Envy use elder warrens and can thus access younger warrens. Illy's point about not leaving behind her servants is a valid reason for why she didn't just fly.

To mirror earlier statements. We've never actually seen Envy tested. So the fact that she has not Veered, does not mean she can't do it. The fact that Spite, Draconus other daughter, is draconean should speak for Envy also being such

[Imperial Historian]

From a genetics point of view... we know l'orric is not draconean, yet his father is a soletaken draconean, if we take that the draconean trait is passed on by one linked group of genes, L'oric isn't draconean because either a) his mother is completely non-draconean, osserc posesses two draconic genes but the draconean gene is recessive, his mother is compleltely non-draconean and the draconean gene is dominant, but osserc as a soletaken only has one gene coding for draconean-ness and one not and he didn't pass it on, c) his mother is a half blood also and he recieved two-non draconic genes from his parents, or d) his mother is a half blood, but the draconean gene is recessive and he recieved one draconic and one non-draconic gene or e) being draconic soletaken is not passed on through the genes.

Now i'm not an expert on genetics but it would seem to me that it is entirely plausible given the knowledge that l'oric has a father who is draconean but he is not, that the "half blood" soletaken can have children who are both draconean and non-draconean, as it seems logical to me that they would posses one draconic and one non-draconic, as the genes passed on from each parent then have a 50:50 chance of being draconic, so depending on whether the draconic gene is recesssive or dominant there is a 3/4 or 1/4 chance of the offspring not being draconic.

Now i'm not an expert in genetics but this seems to follow from my limited knowledge.

The main evidence for the fact that draconean parent's does not equal draconean offspring is the fact that phaed on drift avali was surely tested when the edur came... and if she could would have veered, yet she did not, and if envy is draconean, and rake/nimander are draconean, logically she should also be draconean, since she appears not to be, it would suggest that the genetics are not that straight forward.