[Murrin]

He was - supposedly - spreading himself very thin. While he dealt with everything else, he was also sat firmly on the Throne of Shadow on Drift Avalii, so that he could hide it like he did in the end. By the end of the book he was running around in full form again.

[percival]

i took it to mean he was somewhere else.. ie the throne he was sitting on, when he was hiding it - therefore his body only seemed like it was in the other places. however i am confused as to the two thrones/drift avalii's... he was sat on one in a place with no other people (drift avalii?) and then there was also the place where the tlan imass and trull were (drift avalii?). or did i read it wrongly?

[Murrin]

The other place - with Trull - was the Imass' First Throne, in a ravine somewhere, location unknown. The Throne Shadowthrone was at was the Shadow Throne on Drift Avalii.

[tjc52]

The Frist Throne is supposedly somehwere on Quon Tali, after the T'lan Imass moved it from its original site in Seven Cities when they thought the Nameless Ones were going to find it.

[amirebram]

For those who have read NoK, in the end there was a seen where Dancer appears and talks to the High Mage. It was said that he wasn't there in person, but was projecting himself.

i think that is similar to what Shadowthrone is doing now. Being in one place and projecting himself to be in other places.

[tiam]

no hes on about a certain situatio in NOk when to do with when edgewalker first appears i think. as for St being unsubstantial its was because he had spread himslef to thinly. am i irhgt in beleieving the throne in the realm of shadow (with apt and the hounds etc) is actually the throne of meanas the 'gate keepers perch' as its called in HOC i think and the real throne of shadow is on Drift avalii

[Dolorous Menhir]

I like that idea...how does it agree with Shadowthrone as agent/ally of the Azath?

The foundation of Kellanved's power was his access to the Deadhouse, and the Azath must have had a motive to grant this to him. Now, over a hundred years later, Kellanved is claiming thrones and realms all over the shop. Since he is probably still working with the assent or permission of the Azath, his actions must work towards some Azath plan. Is it related to Cutter's idea in HoC that you mention, that Shadowthrone intends to claim all that power and then with it, do...nothing? I imagine such an event would make things a lot quieter for the Azath, though I'm struggling to think of a better motive for it/them.

Do we know how the Azath stand relative to the CG? Opposed, neutral, allied, indifferent, unknowing?

[Abyss]

I took his filminess to be because he was multi-tasking. As noted, he does solidify at the end, altho' that may have something to do with Kalam's otataral blade.

I don't actually think he sat on the First Throne or the Elder Shadow Throne, but he IS looking to keep anyone else away from them.

Note Cotillion's comment that the demons in Meanas raid each other and go about their lives, but that ST can compel them, but doesn't know the limits of their obediance. He did have azalans and aptorians defending (and dying at) the Shadow Throne on Avalii.


His 'collection' is interesting - for all we know, he may have grabbed Rel and Vorcan at the end of GotM - we don't see what happens to them between then and their appareance as coat racks in MoI. Maybe he grabbed Topper too, but if this means he has Rel, Vorcan and Kalam at his disposal, look OUT, like, everyone. Of course, one wonders why ST, who has Cotillion, the Patron of Assassins as an ally, is collecting extremely talented assassins for his own purposes. Perhaps a split is imminent?

- Abyss, thinks frozen assassins would make great lawn gnomes.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Is it not said that as a mortal Kellanved controlled the Imass by sitting the First Throne, but then his ascension left things unclear. He no longer properly occupies the Throne, but at the same time, because he did not die, the Throne was not vacated for someone else to take his place.

That was how I understood it, that the First Throne is kind of in a limbo with Shadowthrone "blocking" it without actually being able to use it to exert his will on the Imass.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Thanks Hetan. It seems that ascendants have a hard time sitting the First Throne...not sure why, as this is a restriction that doesn't apply to any other Throne that we know of. Perhaps the issue is that he claimed it as a mortal and THEN ascended. Maybe if he'd claimed it post-ascenscion then there would have been no problems, and it's the act of ascending that has muddied the issue.

edit: that would be an interesting confrontation, especially when you consider that three of Silverfox's constituent souls (Tattersail, Bellurdan, Nightchill) have long histories with Kellanved, and all submitted to his rule and served loyally under him. I think on a personal level Kellanved would totally wipe the floor with Silverfox (because, frankly, she's a useless brat), but I would say her claim to control over the Imass is far far stronger than his.

further edit: thanks again Hetan, for the post below, don't want to clog this up with any more posts. That does neatly explain why no T'lan Imass - before Silverfox - could just assume the First Throne and avert the danger of someone else seizing it. I had wondered why they didn't just do that.