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Greyfrog in TB
#1
Posted 12 April 2006 - 02:56 PM
This thread was overdue... How great was this character this time around?
He quips! He flirts! He self-ressurects!!! He EATS BRAINZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!
Loved it.
Plus, a whole other aspect was added when he related his people's legends to L'oric (who was a bit of a self-righteous prick, actually). That bit about how the god died with the first drop of blood shed in his name was VERY telling for some of the themes in the book.
"The horses are afraid of you."
"They simply don't know me well enough."
LOL!
- Abyss, had to start this thread eventually.
He quips! He flirts! He self-ressurects!!! He EATS BRAINZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!
Loved it.
Plus, a whole other aspect was added when he related his people's legends to L'oric (who was a bit of a self-righteous prick, actually). That bit about how the god died with the first drop of blood shed in his name was VERY telling for some of the themes in the book.
"The horses are afraid of you."
"They simply don't know me well enough."
LOL!
- Abyss, had to start this thread eventually.
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#2 Guest_Faradan Sort_*
Posted 12 April 2006 - 03:01 PM
Greyfrog was hysterical! He had some of the best lines in the entire book, plus some interesting insights on inter-species mating!

#3
Posted 12 April 2006 - 03:13 PM
I love the way he talks. He must be added to the fated kruppe pust conversation. By the way when he resurected did he just grow new legs or did his new body eat its way out of the old. Hard to follow the discription.
#4
Posted 12 April 2006 - 03:25 PM
I guess he's just like that toy... I can't really remember the name. Y'know; it's wood, you put identical, smaller pieces of it inside it, it has a horizonal opening across the centre of its body.
Except that his smaller layers probably can grow. Still, I think he has a limited amount of lives. Limited to the amount of layers there are (and those shouldn't grow back).
And yes, Greyfrog's whole story was Erickson's commentary on our God. If he believes in God, he probably believes him dead by now. Seeing as how the whole story is the same as ours; the whole expansion of just a memory of the Roman Empire, where the Catholic Church seizes many nearby country, and eventually, the Western World (of Europe) with the papal power. And crusades.
Of course, Erickson cited this many times more, with his constant referrals to the fact that humans fabricate for themselves a just cause, one to which there's no justifiable contrary (and how can you argue against a divine being who stands for good and purity?), killing in the name of this just cause.
Anyways, sorry to steer off course (y'ar). Greyfrog is cool. But why can't he talk to a pregnant woman? Does he transmit some sort of electromagnetic waves that are bad for the shaping of an undeveloped brain?
Except that his smaller layers probably can grow. Still, I think he has a limited amount of lives. Limited to the amount of layers there are (and those shouldn't grow back).
And yes, Greyfrog's whole story was Erickson's commentary on our God. If he believes in God, he probably believes him dead by now. Seeing as how the whole story is the same as ours; the whole expansion of just a memory of the Roman Empire, where the Catholic Church seizes many nearby country, and eventually, the Western World (of Europe) with the papal power. And crusades.
Of course, Erickson cited this many times more, with his constant referrals to the fact that humans fabricate for themselves a just cause, one to which there's no justifiable contrary (and how can you argue against a divine being who stands for good and purity?), killing in the name of this just cause.
Anyways, sorry to steer off course (y'ar). Greyfrog is cool. But why can't he talk to a pregnant woman? Does he transmit some sort of electromagnetic waves that are bad for the shaping of an undeveloped brain?
#5
Posted 12 April 2006 - 03:34 PM
Great character, I was actually afraid Erikson had killed him of for a while.
He doesn't talk to pregnant woman because his culture forbids it.
He doesn't talk to pregnant woman because his culture forbids it.
#6
Posted 12 April 2006 - 03:37 PM
i sensed it was just a greyfrog dmon cultural things. so are you saying you think a new smaller shell ate the way out of he old carcass or that he just popped out ew legs? Damn that demon is cool. I would not mind a couple for protection
#7
Posted 12 April 2006 - 03:43 PM
http://www.tkstoystand.com/IMAGE1/MISC/mm_...gs_hockey_i.jpg
That's what I was referring to. Though I could only find a hockey version image of it, not a regular one.
That's what I was referring to. Though I could only find a hockey version image of it, not a regular one.
#8 Guest_Faradan Sort_*
Posted 12 April 2006 - 03:58 PM
Oh, Russian dolls? Yeah, I guess he is a bit like that. It'd be handy to be able to grow a whole new you inside the dead old one!
#9
Posted 12 April 2006 - 05:18 PM
The pregant woman taboo was def'ly a cultural respect/worship thing. Very funny the way he switched once Scillara gave birth.
When the Unbound attacked, he lost a few limbs, but wasn't chopped up the way Heboric was. It seemed like his body became a shell and generated a new body inside itself. All the dead flies suggested some kind of feeding thing was required to power the growth.
But mostly, i just luv'd the bit where he ATE THEIR BRAINZZZZZ!!!!
- Abyss, cannot possibly say that enuf'.
When the Unbound attacked, he lost a few limbs, but wasn't chopped up the way Heboric was. It seemed like his body became a shell and generated a new body inside itself. All the dead flies suggested some kind of feeding thing was required to power the growth.
But mostly, i just luv'd the bit where he ATE THEIR BRAINZZZZZ!!!!
- Abyss, cannot possibly say that enuf'.
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#10
Posted 12 April 2006 - 06:24 PM
Hard to imagin him as hideous...his character comes across so amicably. When he starts eating things, I just laugh.
On the side (and I'm not referring to the brainzzz main course Abyss), what was the significance (if any) of all those flies? Something to do with the Unbound and th CG? All I can recall is Hood's season in DG....suggestive, no? Hood in league with the CG?? Naaah!
On the side (and I'm not referring to the brainzzz main course Abyss), what was the significance (if any) of all those flies? Something to do with the Unbound and th CG? All I can recall is Hood's season in DG....suggestive, no? Hood in league with the CG?? Naaah!
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#11 Guest_potsherds_*
Posted 13 April 2006 - 04:10 AM
I'm currently working my way through MT, but from HOC, I can honestly say that I love Greyfrog. Erikson seems to thrive with characters like Pust/Kruppe/Greyfrog. And I loved the way Greyfrog 'spoke'. Those broken sentences made anything funny he said absolutely hilarious. And the guy's got a very quick wit.
A conversation involving Pust, Kruppe, and Greyfrog would be so beyond my ability intellectually. But I'd love to see it anyway.
A conversation involving Pust, Kruppe, and Greyfrog would be so beyond my ability intellectually. But I'd love to see it anyway.
#12 Guest_FrenchyFan_*
Posted 13 April 2006 - 10:16 AM
It talks like HK47 of kotor's serie, annuncing the tone of it sentence, and as a behaviour very near of the one of this droid.
I like GF.
I like GF.
#13 Guest_Carnifex_*
Posted 15 April 2006 - 02:15 AM
Monoch Ochem said:
Hard to imagin him as hideous...his character comes across so amicably. When he starts eating things, I just laugh.
On the side (and I'm not referring to the brainzzz main course Abyss), what was the significance (if any) of all those flies? Something to do with the Unbound and th CG? All I can recall is Hood's season in DG....suggestive, no? Hood in league with the CG?? Naaah!
On the side (and I'm not referring to the brainzzz main course Abyss), what was the significance (if any) of all those flies? Something to do with the Unbound and th CG? All I can recall is Hood's season in DG....suggestive, no? Hood in league with the CG?? Naaah!
I read the flies as pointing back to the priest of Hood's display in DG; Heboric originally thought it was referring to Fener's fall, but in reality it was referring to Heboric's death at the hands of the Unbound.
Very nice use of prior events.
#14
Posted 18 April 2006 - 04:42 PM
Good point re: DG, but i wonder... did we ever establish what the Unbound Bonecaster's soletaken form was? Could it have been flies?
Otherwise, the flies may have been a conjuration to assist the ambush.
Greyfrog was eating them before the ambush, and all the dead one's around his shell/corpse suggested to me at least that he was somehow using them to rebuild his body.
- Abyss, has eaten wichity grubs.
Otherwise, the flies may have been a conjuration to assist the ambush.
Greyfrog was eating them before the ambush, and all the dead one's around his shell/corpse suggested to me at least that he was somehow using them to rebuild his body.
- Abyss, has eaten wichity grubs.
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#15
Posted 18 April 2006 - 05:15 PM
If the flies were a sembled bonecaster, then that would be the first example of a D'ivers T'lan Imass we've ever seen. Since D'ivers seem to have originated in the First Human Empire I don't think there are any D'ivers bonecasters...so it wasn't the Unbound's bonecaster-as-flies.
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