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Garath, the Hound that might have been?
#22 Guest_Mule of Shadow_*
Posted 15 April 2006 - 12:54 PM
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Edit : Ganath emerged. She eyed the black stone monuments. "Dessimbelackis. One soul made seven - he believed that would make him immortal. An ascendant eager to become a god -"
so crazy theory... he made a pact with the Deragoth.. perhaps drank their blood or summat... became d'ivers... seven Hounds.... seven protectors.. bah... my head hurts!
so crazy theory... he made a pact with the Deragoth.. perhaps drank their blood or summat... became d'ivers... seven Hounds.... seven protectors.. bah... my head hurts!
It's not a crazy theory.
I put in a quote before about how the remaining Deragoth have TWO souls each. I beleive what happened was that he made a pact with the Deragoth and merged his souls somehow with them or thought he could control them, but couldn't.
Or perhaps... he was responsible for making the statues aswell.. thinking that if they were worshipped he would become a god...?
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(now *my* head hurts... and for a mule of shadow, that's a VERY bad thing.)
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Posted 15 April 2006 - 03:50 PM
Another theory(sorry for being dense if this is what you've been saying all along. being tired can do that to you) :
Dessimbelackis made a pact with the deragoth, and created the hounds of shadow (the seven protectors). They disappeared because his enemies somehow banished the deragoth.
How does that sound?
Dessimbelackis made a pact with the deragoth, and created the hounds of shadow (the seven protectors). They disappeared because his enemies somehow banished the deragoth.
How does that sound?
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Posted 16 April 2006 - 01:54 AM
Why do you think that the Deragoth started with two souls? Unless you mean Dessimbelackis' soul fragments, surely splitting the Deragoth's souls in two would be easier to work with.
We know that the last seven surviving members of the Deragoth species had part of Dessimbelackis' soul infused into each of them, that they were banished and that the Hounds are/possess their shadows. So, why couldn't the separation of the souls into the Hounds be part of the banishment process? Weaken the Deragoth, dissolve Dessim's hold on them and sanity, and take over, until the Soletaken Ritual screws up Seven Cities?
Or, have the Deragoth banished and imprisoned in the giant statues, and have the shadows of those statues appear in the Nascent when it was still part of KE, where the Edur could extract the shadows from those statues and instill them in the dogs that would become the Hounds?
Of course, that brings up a timeline/continuity problem, where the First Empire had to co-exist with the Edur; for the Edur to command the Hounds (being their original masters) they first must be created by banishing the Deragoth, which happened comparatively recently. Does anyone have approximate dates for the Ritual and for the Ruin/Andii/Scabby/Edur vs. KCCM/KCNR battle?
We know that the last seven surviving members of the Deragoth species had part of Dessimbelackis' soul infused into each of them, that they were banished and that the Hounds are/possess their shadows. So, why couldn't the separation of the souls into the Hounds be part of the banishment process? Weaken the Deragoth, dissolve Dessim's hold on them and sanity, and take over, until the Soletaken Ritual screws up Seven Cities?
Or, have the Deragoth banished and imprisoned in the giant statues, and have the shadows of those statues appear in the Nascent when it was still part of KE, where the Edur could extract the shadows from those statues and instill them in the dogs that would become the Hounds?
Of course, that brings up a timeline/continuity problem, where the First Empire had to co-exist with the Edur; for the Edur to command the Hounds (being their original masters) they first must be created by banishing the Deragoth, which happened comparatively recently. Does anyone have approximate dates for the Ritual and for the Ruin/Andii/Scabby/Edur vs. KCCM/KCNR battle?
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Posted 16 April 2006 - 09:50 AM
@ tiam
I didn't mean disappear as in 'die', I meant disappear as in 'leave'.
What I was thinking was that Dessimbelackis created the hounds of shadow from the deragoth's shadows, and when the deragoth were banished, the hounds ended up in shadow.
I didn't mean disappear as in 'die', I meant disappear as in 'leave'.
What I was thinking was that Dessimbelackis created the hounds of shadow from the deragoth's shadows, and when the deragoth were banished, the hounds ended up in shadow.
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Posted 16 April 2006 - 11:33 AM
Illuyankas said:
Of course, that brings up a timeline/continuity problem, where the First Empire had to co-exist with the Edur; for the Edur to command the Hounds (being their original masters) they first must be created by banishing the Deragoth, which happened comparatively recently. Does anyone have approximate dates for the Ritual and for the Ruin/Andii/Scabby/Edur vs. KCCM/KCNR battle?
The battle, and arrival of Edur into the Malaz world, was around the timescale for Seventh Closure - 700,000 years BBS. The First Empire arose around the time Kallor's fell - so ended sometime after 100,000 BBS. The Edur had lost their realm, their leader, and their Empire long before the First Empire existed.
We know that humans had not yet evolved when the Edur arrived - and we know that before that, the Deragoth existed on Seven Cities, because we saw them fighting K'Chain Chemalle, which were wiped out shortly after the Edur's arrival.
So you're right - it doesn't quite match up that Edur commanded the Hounds of Shadow, unless the Hounds and the Deragoth really are seperate beings.
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Posted 16 April 2006 - 11:52 AM
sorry if this has been mentioned but maybe that the HOS are jsut shadows of the HOD. obviosly this had been stated before but maybe thats just it. every thing had a shadow in the shadow realm so maybe when the deragoth were imprisoned there shadows werent.
Or now that i think about it... Dessimbelackis tied himself to the deragoth. they were then banished but dessimbelackis souls were put in the statues as the deragoth. the actual deragoth were just shadows as dessimbelackis had taken over the ones wee see karsa kill in HOC. therefore the actual deragoth souls became the HOS. this explains why they are kin and not just part of a divers. they have reverted to there old form.
I admit this is probably wrong
Or now that i think about it... Dessimbelackis tied himself to the deragoth. they were then banished but dessimbelackis souls were put in the statues as the deragoth. the actual deragoth were just shadows as dessimbelackis had taken over the ones wee see karsa kill in HOC. therefore the actual deragoth souls became the HOS. this explains why they are kin and not just part of a divers. they have reverted to there old form.
I admit this is probably wrong
