[Werthead]

Heboric sees the Jade fragments (the actual statues) in House of Chains, flying through space through the rift created in the Fall of the Crippled God. The idea seems to be that the Jade Statues come from the Crippled God's home dimension and seem to have millions of souls inside them (the CG universe's answer to the Azath?). Exactly why they've turned up now is unexplained, but linked either to the Crippled God's resurgence or, more likely, to Heboric touching the Jade Statue imprisoned under Otataral Island.

Several of the statues hit Malazworld's moon and devastated most of the world (destroying the titular Gardens of the Moon), whilst the rest seemed poised to rain down on Otataral Island before Hood and Paran resurrected Heboric and got him to save the day.

Exactly WTF is going on is another example of Malazan Craziness which we can debate endlessly on these boards for the next year until Reaper's Gale comes out and hopefully gives us some more answers.

[percival]

thanks for that explanation. i understood the relevance between hebroic and the jade, but was confused as to where they came from and what was their purpose for falling etc. isnt there also some relevance as to the effect the jade has in making ototaral? do we actually know where the CG has fallen from? and why did they bring him down in the first place? this is all prob in the books but has been ages since i read them!

[Dragonstar]

i remeber in one of the earier books either deadhouse or chains that the otataral being something created to trap the statues, maybe a healing reflex by burn?

[Tiger_sword]

percival said:

do we actually know where the CG has fallen from? and why did they bring him down in the first place? this is all prob in the books but has been ages since i read them!

Im sure you remeber that the CG was tempted by power, drawn closer then pulled by (they have to be) powerful mages in order to destroy Kallor. Obviously they didn't expect the god that they trapped to be so..... destroyed. As to where he comes from. Could be anything from another warren to a complete other realm. It seam as if it was quite some way away. From the scene with hebroic and the statues in HoC i would say that the CG comes from a distant planet. He was obviously an improtant god on that planet an his absence was noted. Now most (if not all) of the people from this planet are in the jade statues trying to find him. I think hebroic touching the statue in DG was a sort of beaken. All of a sudden all the other statues headed towards the malazan world.

It does sound like the CG was brought down like a meteor. Blazing through the sky and breaking up. This sounds more like a crash through the atmosphere than some sort of magical side effect.

As to weather the people inside the statues are a) still alive and able to escape from the statues and walk around the malazan world, is to be seen. I have a feeling that if they can escape that they are most likely to seek out the CG and from then on who knows.

[Smiles]

Tiger_sword said:

He was obviously an improtant god on that planet an his absence was noted. Now most (if not all) of the people from this planet are in the jade statues trying to find him. I think hebroic touching the statue in DG was a sort of beaken. All of a sudden all the other statues headed towards the malazan world.

That's a damn good explanation. I’d thought that the opening the statues were coming through was somehow linked to the CG, but his worshippers…

I hope we find out just who he was, bet it will throw everything on its head.

(rereading TBH after HoC makes so much more sense!!!)

[percival]

very good explantion. when i get confused i just tend to read on and hope it says later!!

[Murrin]

Tiger_sword said:

It does sound like the CG was brought down like a meteor. Blazing through the sky and breaking up. This sounds more like a crash through the atmosphere than some sort of magical side effect.

There's a scene in MT where Brys and Silchas watch the Crippled God descend - it was through a huge portal in the sky above a city, where objects fell through - including whole statues that landed intact on the ground - followed by a huge mass, the God, with lightning writhing round it like chains. Silchas also said that in the CGs own realm there was a war going on between the gods, and he was an important and powerful one.
I'd guess that if the Jade comes from the same world, the reason it fell from way out in space was because they were less certain of their destination, whereas the CG was pulled directly onto Kallor's capital by the mages.

[Werthead]

The Crippled God didn't land on Kallor's capital. Kallor's capital was on Jacuruku, whilst the CG crash-landed on Korelri and blew the continent apart, doing so much damage to it that it hasn't healed properly more than 100,000 years later.

[Murrin]

Well, the mages were on Jacuruku, and the Crippled god fell on a very large city - and back then, the only big cities would have been in Kallor's empire. Capital was an assumption, but now you mention it... Hmm. I'll go reread that MoI prologue again, probably says there. I think you may be right, it was Korelri. Kallors empire spanned both continents, right?

[Illuyankas]

Yes, but Kallor's Empire arose in Jacuruku first. Why both plot your resistance and summon your god to help in the stronghold and centre of your enemy's power?

[Tiger_sword]

May have been too risky to have attempted that powerful magic so close to Kallor. Im pretty certain he has a good grasp of magic and may have been able to prevent it. Also they were pretty desperate i guess they were hoping that the god was stong enough to survive the fall intack in which case he would have been able to travel to Kallor. I'm not sure wether the fall itself was intended to destroy Kallor or the god subsiquently

[GingerBreadMan]

Do we know if the CG was always crippled, could he have been a sane,nice god who was messed up badly when he was brought to Malazan.

[percival]

good point.. i dont think anyone would like being chained for eternity either!

[Blind]

Going by the descriptions of his fall in this world (the great ravens being born of pieces of his flesh, iirc), it seems certain that he was crippled then; that's why he went mad. How he was before is anyone's guess - only thing that is known is that he was curious (that's how the circle lured him).

[Urko Crust]

I thought the crippled god was an elder god.

[Loof]

I don't think its ever said if the CG is an elder god, he might be. But he might also be something totaly alien, in the sence that he's from a completly different cosmology or some such.

[GingerBreadMan]

It is implied he is elder, but we also know Elder gods cover numerous worlds, so he could be an alien god and be elder. I like the idea of him being his worlds version of Hood, and the souls are being brought to him for some reason.Maybe to give him power?