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Kruppe, Pust and those mules?

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Posted 20 March 2006 - 08:18 AM

Imperial Historian said:

in a vaguely serious reply, there's various hints that the mules are avatars of krul, ie the fact they are generally asleep etc, and krul is the god of dreams

yup... I agree with that too.. :rolleyes:

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Posted 20 March 2006 - 05:24 PM

Except that in MOI someone (Hetan?) is talking to Kruppe about his mule and says that "it's eyes are constantly moving. It's the most alert animal I've ever seen" (or near enough). Hardly consistent with it being generally asleep :rolleyes:

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Posted 20 March 2006 - 08:01 PM

Rem?

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Posted 20 March 2006 - 08:27 PM

With open eyes? Open, focused eyes?

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Posted 20 March 2006 - 11:32 PM

MOI UK trade paperback, p721, Hetan to Kruppe

"Good. Now, stop clenching that mule with your knees - the beast hates it. Settle in that saddle as if it were a horse, for it believes itself to be so. It notes how everyone else rides, notes how the horses carry their charges. Its eyes never rest - have you not noticed? This is the most alert beast the world has ever seen, and don't ask me why. There, my words are done. Until tonight, Man of Lard, when I will see you melt."

Hardly sounds like an animal asleep most of the time. She specifically says it is incredibly alert.

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 11:10 AM

Dolorous Menhir said:

the mules are Dessimbaleckis, the First Emperor was D'ivers mules!

Where did you get that idea from?

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 11:17 AM

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Where did you get that idea from?

from the crazy theories thread I imagine :rolleyes:

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 08:33 PM

Sure a d'ivers can split up that far? Being mules on different continents? Why would he, how could he, possibly stand Kruppe AND pust for more than a day or two?
Maybe it's a sort of demon. Clever mule-like demons.
Both Kruppe and Pust are masters of deception, it could be a trick to take attention away from their real plans.

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 10:34 PM

Pust's mule protects the boat (with Mappo, Spite and Mogora) from the "falling suns" so I would say it has to be linked with an Elder power...

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Posted 25 March 2006 - 03:12 AM

I dont think it has to be an Elder power, but it certainly does need to have some sort of serious power. As far as the range of D'ivers I have no idea if they have a limit, although I imagine there is in fact some sort of range.

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Posted 02 April 2006 - 07:48 PM

Hi all!

After having read the book (tBH) and came upon this thread I had this crazy idea of those mules as dragons in disguise.

One crazy old man talking to himself, sitting on a slow walking mule will bring very little attention from people around him.

On a slow walking dragon how ever!

Mules will draw hardly much notice to themselves from ordinary people.

Then there are people like Bottle who could really see that Apsalar's pets were dragons, so my crazy idea will remain a crazy one, sigh. :eek3:

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Posted 06 May 2006 - 09:50 PM

Pust's Mule set up camp once in BH

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 05:11 PM

The first Mules we see are used by Cutter, Murrilio et al in GotM. Kruppe provides them. Later, they veer into war mulesand fight adjunct Lorn. (ok, that's not true, but war mules did make an appearance.

In DG, we see our first Mule of Shadow - Iskaral rides it when he meets Iccy and Mappo for the first time. Mappo comments on how dark it seems to be. The Mule rides off and Servant, actually Apsalar's dad, shows up.

(as an aside, simply because i'm in reread and watching for bits and pieces i missed the first two times, a near dead mule is present at the start when Heboric is visited by Hood'd fly-guy)

Then there's Kruppe's super alert mule, and the apparent powers of Pust's mule in TB.

Of course, the Mule of Shadow are mere reflections of the true power of the Mules of Darkness.

There are no Mules of Light.

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 05:18 PM

Ah, your forgetting the first mule from GotM... the lame mule that Paran see's before finding the outpost of slaughtered constabulary in chapter 1....

So we definitly see mules in GotM, DhG, MOI, and BH ... anyone spotted any mules in HoC, MT, Nok, BF or HD?

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 05:36 PM

The carriage of Buruk the Pale is pulled by mules no?

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 05:41 PM

I actually thought that Pust's mule was Servant (Apsalar's father). When Pust first appears, we see the Mule go off into a cave, then Icarium or Mappo senses a warren opening inside the cave, then Servant walks out and we don't see the Mule again.

It certainly seemed like the Mule changed into Servant at the time, but it's hard to reconcile that with later info - I don't think it's the case now.

That's true, about the Mule in DG at the Cull. It lies dying while Felisin, Baudin and Heboric have their first chat, and eventually someone comes to take it away.

Maybe the Mules are the real theme of the series, not Chains, and Kruppe's Mule belongs to K'rul, Pust's to Shadowthrone, the DG one to Hood.

And Coll & Paran called themselves the "Mules of War"...

(there's also a recurrent theme of uppity horses, such as various ones ridden by Kalam and Fiddler's legendary facebiter in DG. probably other examples which escape me right now)

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 07:54 PM

Dolorous Menhir said:

(there's also a recurrent theme of uppity horses, such as various ones ridden by Kalam and Fiddler's legendary facebiter in DG. probably other examples which escape me right now)

can't remember if this has been asked before but do y'all reckon Fiddler's horse is the one responsible for the damage to Brokeface? All it says on him is that he once had another name and another life until bitten by a Gral horse.